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Google Demanded T-Mobile, Sprint Not Sell Google Fi Customers' Location Data

294 点作者 tony101超过 6 年前

13 条评论

Despegar超过 6 年前
I mean sure. Google certainly doesn&#x27;t want wireless carriers to compete with them in advertising, and everyone having access to location data from smartphones just devalues Google&#x27;s own access.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qz.com&#x2F;1131515&#x2F;google-collects-android-users-locations-even-when-location-services-are-disabled&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qz.com&#x2F;1131515&#x2F;google-collects-android-users-locatio...</a>
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linsomniac超过 6 年前
So many people are saying &quot;this is just further evidence of Google doing evil&quot;.<p>Unpopular opinion: I feel like this is further evidence of Google being good stewards of user data.<p>There are many reasons Google may want to protect this data: They don&#x27;t want user backlash from revelations like this, they don&#x27;t want to have to be legislated, they don&#x27;t want the PR spend of having to recover from such reporting. Or it could be that it is a company built of people who find such protection to be important.
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piyush_soni超过 6 年前
How people&#x27;s sentiments change here based on who tries to protect their privacy. If it&#x27;s Apple, &quot;wow, they are god&#x27;s own people with purest intentions of protecting users&#x27; privacy&quot;. When Google does it : &quot;Yeah, because they want to <i>sell</i> it themselves so obviously they don&#x27;t want any competition&quot;.
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vanattab超过 6 年前
Ask HN: Is anyone here happy with Google Fi service? I ordered a Pixel 3 phone directly from Google Fi and signed up for service with Google Fi the end of December. When I ordered the phone it showed up as in stock and estimated I would get my phone by the 4th of January. On the 2nd I got an email saying that the phone shipping was delayed and I would receive an email when it ships. I have heard nothing from google so I called Google Fi support and was told I would get an email from the shipping team letting my know when my phone would ship but that was 2 days ago and have not heard a word from them. I tried following there instructions to cancel the order but when you click the edit order button where they say there is a cancel button none can be found. Anyone else have similar experience? Before I placed my order I was thinking the user experience from Google must be better then T-Mobile or Sprint but I am starting to regret the choice.
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annefauvre超过 6 年前
I hate the idea that we&#x27;re so beholden to one company&#x27;s ethical compass over another. It&#x27;s so clear that we&#x27;re in need for some sort of regulation to great guideposts around what is ok and what is not... sigh... not like the government will ever get its act together on this.
hcnews超过 6 年前
Say what you want about Google, its one of the few companies with a moral compass.
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microcolonel超过 6 年前
As shrewd and cynical as this move is, it is good. With Google you at least have some options for how much you want them to know about your location (even if they rely on dark patterns still to trick average people into reenabling it)
joobus超过 6 年前
&quot;... as soon as we heard about this practice, we required our network partners to shut it down as soon as possible.” Google did not say when it made this a requirement.<p>Hey, stop doing that, please?
wtmt超过 6 年前
Pot, meet kettle. This is rich coming from Google, which doesn&#x27;t respect users&#x27; choices in Android not to collect location data and yet the company wants others not to deal in that data from its other services. Perhaps it&#x27;s just the worry of enabling other companies to make money off of customer information in any way possible, and wanting to be the only company that should be able to make money from this data. As far as the user is concerned, both are privacy violations and an expression of disrespect to them. The bar on privacy is so low that Google seems to be imagining that its behavior is &quot;better than the others&quot;.
wpdev_63超过 6 年前
I guess the attorney general is going to stay silent on this?
kerng超过 6 年前
This seems more of a do not compete attempt.
forgottenpass超过 6 年前
This isn&#x27;t a win for consumers, it&#x27;s just the changing boundaries of a turf war.<p>Just like they made a big stink about getting everyone to HTTPS. It wasn&#x27;t to reduce 3rd party incidental access to your browsing data. It was to retain their 3rd party incidental access while icing out ISPs.
kodablah超过 6 年前
Let&#x27;s translate PR speak here...<p>&gt; &quot;We have never sold Fi subscribers&#x27; location information,&quot;<p>In other words &quot;we never directly sold the info, but we never contracted them not to do anything with subscribers&#x27; location information&quot;. In cases like this, I&#x27;d say you are responsible for downstream data use. This isn&#x27;t some API or hole, this is a large b2b contract and Google should have contractually obligated them to what they could do with their subscribers&#x27; data and then sued when they found out it wasn&#x27;t the case. Why didn&#x27;t they? Either leverage (Google has to rely on someone), ignorance (doubtful), or apathy (we don&#x27;t care until the media does). I&#x27;m inclined to guess #1 and #3.<p>&gt; a Google spokesperson told Motherboard in a statement late on Thursday.<p>In other words, we had to ask and get a small statement because being open, upfront, honest, etc is not their approach.<p>&gt; &quot;[...] as soon as we heard about this practice, we required our network partners to shut it down as soon as possible [...]&quot;<p>In other words &quot;we have asked, refuse to say whether they agreed, refuse to say when it will happen, and in general are as opaque as those we are deflecting towards&quot;.<p>Obviously the cell carriers are bad actors. But deflecting instead of accepting responsibility is bad too. Just admit you have no leg to stand on because you require them, or show us where, in writing, they promised to do this and when. Can&#x27;t do that? Yeah, because you&#x27;re not in control and&#x2F;or your shitty business practices are all behind closed doors. And I don&#x27;t limit this to Google, this goes with anyone partnering with these companies (especially the more traditionally reticent ones). Be open or get hate.
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