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Most People With Addiction Grow Out of It (2014)

168 点作者 dedalus超过 6 年前

20 条评论

thrownaway954超过 6 年前
I think articles like this are dangerous to us addicts cause it solidifies the &quot;this is just a phase&quot; mentality that many of us have. They sampled 42,000 people, but how many others had to die, have their lives ruined, or ever worst, hurt someone they loved or end up in prison because of their addiction?<p>YES I&#x27;m sure some of us can quit on our own or can &quot;grow out&quot; of our addiction if we don&#x27;t end up dead or in jail first. I&#x27;m sure there cancer patients out there who are cured and have never had a single treatment, but you can bet that most people with cancer get some sort of treatment and help.<p>Bottom line is, YOU DON&#x27;T HAVE TO GO AT IT ALONE. There is help available, so why not use it? AA, NA, HA ,CA, Wellbriety, going to therapy, medical professional, it&#x27;s all there to help so use it. You doesn&#x27;t HAVE to take 15 years to &quot;grow out&quot; of alcoholism if you can get the support you need to help you quit sooner.<p>Tonight I&#x27;m speaking at a DETOX and I suggest that they go through the 60 day RIT program that it offers so they have a better chance of beating their addiction. Again, please don&#x27;t wait to get help. You don&#x27;t have to fight this battle alone.
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passing_through超过 6 年前
I was addicted to computer games for a while. I never even really liked gaming, but it was a way to tune out the horrible life at home. Eventually, I kind of trained myself to like games; it&#x27;s really weird too, thinking back I was the kid who liked long-term gratification over short-term, but eventually gaming changed me.<p>After I moved out, it was an anchor of sorts and I started playing even more. By this point, my gaming habits definitely matched up with the definition of addiction - at one point, I even went ~2 days without sleeping and eating.<p>The big change for me was getting a job. I couldn&#x27;t fuck this up (considering I had already flunked out of university, getting a job in my dream field was a miracle), so I quit computer games. I&#x27;ve &quot;relapsed&quot; a few times since and every single time it has been horrible. It consumes me completely. I have now also decided to basically cut out any easy-to-consume entertainment out of my life. I spend my free time on books, nature and sports.<p>Looking back, it&#x27;s the experience of totally fucking up my life through addiction that has helped me beat my addiction.
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ChuckMeOut超过 6 年前
Not sure how to feel about this article. I&#x27;m about turn 28 and at various times in my past I have been addicted to cigarettes, methamphetamine, ketamine, heroin and tramadol.<p>I&#x27;m currently clean, however I feel like I am always just one small slip away from sinking into the abyss, it takes a concentrated effort almost every day to avoid this abyss, I certainly don&#x27;t feel like I&#x27;m growing out of it. I am happily married and have a high paying job that I love, I&#x27;m generally really quite happy about life but still feel the darkness calling.
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dagaci超过 6 年前
Addiction should not be seen as abnormal, it is actually extremely normal. Humans and all other animals need to actually addict to activities as this is part of the survival mechanics needed to perpetuate the species.<p>However this addiction function exists at &#x27;lower&#x27; level than the intellect, which is why its so hard for the higher function (the tiny conscious part) of the brain to stop an unwanted addiction.<p>You grow out of addiction when the lower level brain decides that your addiction is not actually required for you to get food or sex.<p>You can accelerate removing an unwanted addiction by paying very close attention to the mechanics of the activity and by simply introducing new activities especially if those activities are completed with food or sex.
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mac_was超过 6 年前
In my opinion this article is dangerous as not all prople grow out of their addictions, as we can see on the streets, or we cannot when it is hidden in houses, when parents abuse themselves and their kids when drinking alcohol. This article might suggest, ok I might be addicted but Ill grow out of it. So people dont want go for treatments. I havent got contact with my father anymore but his 50 now and Im fairly certain he did not stop drinking, as his dad until he died.<p>Edit. Writing from my phone
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warent超过 6 年前
It&#x27;s an interesting hypothesis but they lost me at the part about ADHD. I abused substances when I was younger until eventually I learned healthy, constructive coping mechanisms and now I&#x27;ve been happily sober for years. That&#x27;s an example of maturity helping someone out of addiction.<p>Contrast that will ADD&#x2F;ADHD. I&#x27;m not convinced it has anything to do with maturity or a lack thereof. Sure, mindfulness meditation helps quite a bit. But I think you can be mature, self sufficient, polite, etc, and yet still have ADHD, or immature, etc. and have ADHD. Not to say I&#x27;m a shining beacon of perfection with no room for self improvement, but the point is there&#x27;s little to no correlation there.
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Illli1l1iIli1I超过 6 年前
This headline (and note article is from 2014) is... not ideal. I think I take the most issue with &quot;simply&quot; -- as if recovering from any addiction is simple in any way.<p>First off, I am 100% sure some people do &quot;simply&quot; grow out of their addiction. But what does that mean? What life changes happened during that period of growth that caused addiction to be a more manageable personal issue?<p>For me, most recently at least, it was when I simply could not find a vein anymore. I had always had poor vein access and after close to 5 years of IV&#x27;ing black tar heroin, I had more abscesses than I had available veins. Muscling tar is not pleasant, often leads to an abscesses at the injection site, and has poor bioavailability, but if you are sick and have spent 20 minutes poking yourself at least 20 times (hopefully going through 2-3 syringes in the process as well, and having to deal with backloading your dose), the option becomes more appealing. All of this poking around looking for a flash leads to abscesses as well.<p>With a lifetime of poor vein access, I was doing all the things they did to me in the hospital when I needed an IV: heated blankets, hydration, using alcohol swabs, tourniquets, at least attempting to rotate injection sites, and so on. When I discovered my hands and feet had slightly easier access, I was elated, but that only lasted a couple years, and it really, really, really hurts to miss in your hands and feet.<p>Is that what they mean by &quot;simply growing out of it&quot;? If so, I feel kind of insulted.<p>Eventually, after simply not being able to get high via IV anymore unless I got lucky, I did one last big detox (probably at least my 20th, including 2 in-patient ones), went back to my suboxone doctor, and have been stable on a low-ish dose of the sublingual suboxone for several years now.<p>In my recovery I have been to hundreds of NA&#x2F;AA meetings and volunteered with harm reduction groups and this concept of &quot;I simply grew out of it&quot; is not a common theme. What is much more common are things like 1) I couldn&#x27;t stand sleeping outside anymore, 2) I got pregnant, 3) I ran out of vein access, 4) I had a real opportunity to stop using and took it (like rehab or strong social support or job support), 5) I was sick and tired of feeling sick and tired, and so on.<p>Just to be sure, I am not saying &quot;simply growing out of addiction&quot; via &quot;natural recovery&quot; -- as the article discusses -- is not a thing. It&#x27;s just not enough of a thing to warrant much attention on. A sincere congrats to the people who grow out of it (and, like I said, I&#x27;d like to hear more about what that growth process looked like), now let&#x27;s help the millions of others who haven&#x27;t.
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fromthestart超过 6 年前
Makes sense. Drugs get boring. The euphoria fades. Then it becomes normal. And if chronic use continues, one eventually finds oneself, quite suddenly, in the grips of dependency. But then the appeal finally fades, too, when it becomes clear that the highs of yore that you still chase are gone forever - and suddenly it is worthwhile to brave the throes of a tapered withdrawal, or quit cold turkey, depending on the flavor of the poison.<p>But the cravings probably won&#x27;t go away forever. The ever seductive siren of intoxication will whisper it&#x27;s sweet songs into your ear, beckoning with lustful reveries of that familiar bliss that you once knew, nearer, louder in strife. Alas, with time, the voice softens, should you have the will to resist recurring temptations in the meanwhile.
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throwaway8879超过 6 年前
Can&#x27;t read the article for some reason. In any case, I somewhat agree with the title. Obviously it isn&#x27;t going to be the case for every addict. Using&#x2F;abusing just seems off-putting after a while, and is a major turn-off. I&#x27;m not sure how much this has to do with boredom, or a sense of &quot;I&#x27;m clean now, addicts are losers, I&#x27;m not a loser any longer&quot;.<p>In my case, it was just a massive waste of a decade for little to no gain other than some momentary feelings of almost-euphoria. It&#x27;s just so superficial and a kind of escapism, at least was for me.<p>Anyway, addiction is a lot more complex for generalizations, obviously. I met an older gentleman in rehab who was there for the 50-something time. That kind of put things in perspective for me.
frereubu超过 6 年前
This matches my personal experience with a variety of drugs, although I stopped short of hard opiates. A large proportion of people who took drugs with me when I was younger got out before things got nasty. Which isn&#x27;t to say everyone - there was one guy in particular who got into cheap speed and the attendant unhealthy lifestyle so much that his skin turned yellow. But a three factors that I don&#x27;t see mentioned in the article, which anecdotally seemed to predict quite a bit of the difference, were a supportive family environment, insight into the nature of your drug use, and money. Supportive families helped because when people felt they were doing too much they could drop out of that scene, head home and dry out for a few months. Insight was important because it gave perspective on where they stood in regards to how their drug use was impacting their lives, and before it got really heavy they could head home. Money - enough spare cash to get home and families with enough to support the returning kid - made this kind of flexibility possible. If you don&#x27;t have many or any of those three things, it becomes much more difficult to make the decision to stop early enough - although even if you have all three it doesn&#x27;t guarantee anything. I doubt I would have found drug use such a positive experience if I hadn&#x27;t had that safety net.
csunbird超过 6 年前
I would say people do not grow out of it, as a previous video game addict (skipping school, classes etc, the whole nine miles), the conditions that creates and fuels the addiction itself (be it being asocial, home or money problems) simply vanishes as the time goes on. If it does not vanish, the addiction continues, and if they arise again, the addict relapses.<p>This is based on my experience.<p>Of course, you can not expect that many years of addiction to simply not have any residual effects, for example I still do play video games a lot but I can&#x27;t say I&#x27;m addicted to the point of skipping my job or destroying my whole life. In my case, it is not that dangerous to play video games but for a substance addict, it gets extremely dangerous and they surely struggle harder than I do.<p>I think, instead of trying to cure the addiction first, the underlying cause of the addiction itself should be cured. After that, getting over the addiction becomes easier.<p>Edit: I see comments on people concerned of addicts treating their problems as a phase. It is not a phase, you need to get the bottom of the problem first. It can get extremely hard to fix the underlying problem, especially if you do not get any help, so do not treat the addiction as a phase, but treat it as a symptom of a much bigger problem and fix the problem first while treating your addiction.
sonnyblarney超过 6 年前
Really an amazing insight perhaps not considered enough. But this:<p>&quot;moving from a less structured environment like college into a more constraining one like nine-to-five employment, &quot;<p>is telling.<p>I knew people in SF who just &#x27;moved away&#x27; and the change in setting, the lack of immediate access to &#x27;the party lifestyle&#x27; and all it entails, means they just &#x27;shifted gears&#x27; and cleaned up immediately.<p>So I&#x27;m not sure if the &#x27;aging out&#x27; due to brain developments is entirely the story here, rather than perhaps time allows for people to find other patterns of lifestyle.<p>Though I do think the point about &#x27;18 years old&#x27; is quite powerful - keeping teens away from bad stuff might seem to be quite a good idea.<p>... that said, there could be other factors at play: kids from &#x27;good, conscientious families&#x27; simply may not be quite as likely to need to try alt things, and less likely to get caught up later in life anyhow. There&#x27;d seem to be all sorts of other correlating factors there, however valid the point may be unto it&#x27;s own.
interdiction超过 6 年前
I have only one true addiction, and it is coffee.<p>Most “addictions” seem to be advanced exercises in bullshit artistry, from my perspective. But, the one that really throws me is compulsive gambling. This is the line where I draw clear distinction between chemical dependence, and... something else.<p>Compulsive gambling definitely isn’t bullshit. You can sense that it’s a very powerful, real habit that people lose control over.<p>Most other non-substance oriented addictions I tend to ignore, and gambling is my bellwether for nonsense.<p>Cigarettes, for example, are mostly nonsense. The nicotine in tobacco is such a mildly addicting component, that a deeper truth sits behind it: people who refuse to drop cigarettes are trying to dominate a negotiation, regarding personal choices. They want the freedom to make bad choices.<p>Cigarettes are easy to quit. The chemical dependence is pathetically tame. The people that insist on retaining the habit are really engaging in social signaling. They learned this aspect of power and status as teenagers, and this alone puts cigarettes in a station of nostalgia classified as comparable to first cars, first kisses and favorite music artists. That’s why people don’t quit.<p>Other substances are tougher, for sure, but chemical dependence is only part of the story. Controlling obsession is an entirely different skill. It’s nit just about willpower, but also about deepley held beliefs and self perception.<p>It’s not a new concept. It predates modern psychology with tales like Samson and Delilah and deriving strength from a lack of haircuts, or Dumbo’s magic feather. Superstition isn’t just about magical thinking, and can take root in daily rituals and bahvior.<p>That’s probably why people might seem to grow out of it sooner or later. At some point, life interrupts and breaks the spell, one way or another.
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Animats超过 6 年前
I didn&#x27;t think it was &quot;widely denied&quot;. I thought this was well known.<p>There is a notable exception - smoking.
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samirm超过 6 年前
Aren&#x27;t most people addicted to sugar and a lot also addicted to coffee? Pretty sure they don&#x27;t &quot;grow out&quot; of those...<p>Does this data take into account all those who died and therefore didn&#x27;t &quot;grow out&quot;?<p>I think the biggest issue with the colloquial idea of addiction is that most people don&#x27;t realize it&#x27;s a lot more dependent on social circumstance than it is on the &quot;reward circuitry&quot;. People don&#x27;t become addicts because of any certain drug or mechanism, they do so because they&#x27;re trying to &quot;deal&quot; with some sort of social issue.
WebDanube超过 6 年前
Can confirm anecdotally. Used to be <i>super addicted</i> to the online MOBA game, &quot;DotA 2&quot; back when I was in college. Stopped playing it after moving out from home (deleted my Steam account, in fact), and I haven&#x27;t touched the game ever since. Guess my prefrontal cortex wrestled back control away from my &quot;monkey brain.&quot; [0]<p>[0]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;waitbutwhy.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;10&#x2F;why-procrastinators-procrastinate.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;waitbutwhy.com&#x2F;2013&#x2F;10&#x2F;why-procrastinators-procrasti...</a>
dang超过 6 年前
Discussed at the time: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8396375" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=8396375</a>
jayalpha超过 6 年前
Could be a quote from Pele Stanton <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;peele.net" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;peele.net</a>
Ice_cream_suit超过 6 年前
Some of us die.
LifeLiverTransp超过 6 年前
So - build a monastry where free drugs are provided for simple work? Wait till the addicted get bored?