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Child abuse images hidden in crypto-currency block chain

51 点作者 adzicg超过 6 年前

17 条评论

blincoln超过 6 年前
Possession of this type of image is a federal crime in the US.[1] When I took a digital forensics course about five years ago, we were told that if we ever discovered any on a system we were investigating, it needed to be reported to the FBI immediately or we could also be charged.<p>If someone does this in a way that goes unnoticed, and it&#x27;s discovered after long enough that rolling back is impractical, does that effectively kill the blockchain where the data is embedded, at least as far as the US and countries with similar laws are concerned?<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.justice.gov&#x2F;criminal-ceos&#x2F;citizens-guide-us-federal-law-child-pornography" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.justice.gov&#x2F;criminal-ceos&#x2F;citizens-guide-us-fede...</a>
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giornogiovanna超过 6 年前
&gt; He said there was &quot;ongoing research&quot; to find ways to remove such content from block chains but these were &quot;not yet mature&quot;.<p>Either you have centralization, which nobody wants, or you have a bot that everyone agrees on to censor things, and people will will always find ways around bots. Are there really any other alternatives?
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AdmiralAsshat超过 6 年前
Aren&#x27;t we getting back to the hypothetical question that any image, digitally encoded, would theoretically exist at some index of any infinite number (e.g. Pi), given enough digits? Is the possession of Pi then illegal?
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momentmaker超过 6 年前
So, the easiest for the government to destroy blockchain is to supplant their own illegal images onto the blockchain themselves...
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jasode超过 6 年前
The inevitability of &quot;defacing&quot; the blockchain was discussed back in May 2017 as well: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=14434786" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=14434786</a><p>Global public blockchains are too tempting a target for that type of thing. It will interesting to see how this plays out and whether government agencies respond (or ignore it).
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wolco超过 6 年前
This makes me think. Any data in a certain form could be used to generate an image.<p>What if someone added data in a form that only later after a viewer appeared will it reveal this type of content. This would make any system with that data immediately illegal.<p>Looking down the road what it was encoded in dna would it be illegal for someone to read another person&#x27;s dna?<p>If someone had a tattoo on there face of one of these images would security cameras need to wipe any data caught?
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shiado超过 6 年前
Given any arbitrary stored sequence of bytes, one can always devise an algorithm which converts those bytes into other meaningful sequences of bytes. This is interesting because it would appear that the liability of possessing CP on the blockchain is dependent on the ease of converting those bytes into a meaningful sequences of bytes of an image file, but where does it stop? Do the bytes have to be a raw sequence of exact image bytes stored contiguously? Does simply flipping the bits make the byte sequence lose enough &#x27;meaning&#x27; to get rid of liability? If one requires the bytes alone to have the &#x27;meaning&#x27;, then what about image compression and the associated algorithms? There are some heavy-duty thought experiments with this type of problem that the courts are probably ill-equipped to address.
t0astbread超过 6 年前
I have multiple questions.<p>&gt; In addition, Money Button has banned the user that uploaded the material.<p>&gt; It has also put in place filtering systems to spot when anyone tries to upload similar content.<p>&gt; &quot;We have all the information we need to track down criminals and prosecute them.&quot;<p>Doesn&#x27;t blockchain technology exist to prevent censorship and provide anonymity (in terms of not being able to link transactions to a real life identity)? So why would anyone want to use a client that collects and stores this kind of information about them? Doesn&#x27;t it (almost) completely erase the point of having a blockchain in the first place?<p>And how is this case handled now? Money Button said they forwarded the identity of the uploader to the authorities but is anyone gonna do anything about the problematic data?
tivert超过 6 年前
So, possession of the Bitcoin blockchain is now illegal, according to the laws of most developed countries.
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bluewavescrash超过 6 年前
How do chains which value absolute immutability deal with this? Such as Ethereum Classic.
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Sir_Substance超过 6 年前
Ah, this old chestnut.<p>So from the last time this came up: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thebitcoinnews.com&#x2F;no-there-isnt-child-porn-on-the-bitcoin-blockchain&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thebitcoinnews.com&#x2F;no-there-isnt-child-porn-on-the-b...</a><p>With the important bit here:<p><i>80 bytes is all that OP_RETURN can store, and what’s more that information is subject to deletion. That’s because bitcoin nodes are capable of pruning “provably unspendable” UTXOs for efficiency, which include OP_RETURN data.</i><p>TL;DR the last time the schadenfreudists were looking for something to point and laugh at on this front, they didn&#x27;t understand the technicalities of what they were talking about _at all_.<p>This BBC article makes an interesting claim:<p><i>&quot;In January, the amount of data that could be added to the BSV block chain was increased significantly.</i><p><i>Before that, people could generally add only short chunks of text or web links to the block chain.</i><p><i>But now it is possible to add full images in an encoded format.&quot;</i><p>I&#x27;ve never heard of this BSV coin before, so I don&#x27;t know the details of this change. Assuming it&#x27;s a fork of bitcoin and all they did was increase the allowable size of the OP_RETURN, this will once again be sensationalist reporting with no substance. I&#x27;d imagine the first thing BSV nodes would do is prune the OP_RETURN garbage because who wants to be paying the storage cost of other peoples embedded images?<p>But hey, the BBC article is extremely light on details. Maybe this is something that can&#x27;t be pruned so easily? Does anyone know?
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ilikehurdles超过 6 年前
BSV is, apparently, yet another bitcoin fork — it’s a 4 month old Chinese bitcoin fork with 1 released version and a very vague website[1]. BBC does not explain at all how this differs from Bitcoin or the relevance of this coin.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitcoinsv.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bitcoinsv.io</a>
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decentralised超过 6 年前
This is old news.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dailydot.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;bitcoin-child-porn-transaction-code&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dailydot.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;bitcoin-child-porn-transac...</a> (2013)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.bitcoin.com&#x2F;no-isnt-child-porn-bitcoin-blockchain&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.bitcoin.com&#x2F;no-isnt-child-porn-bitcoin-blockcha...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;why-porn-on-the-blockchain-wont-doom-bitcoin&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;why-porn-on-the-blockchain-wont-...</a>
clarkmoody超过 6 年前
People were worried about this in 2011. I haven&#x27;t heard of any doors getting kicked for having a copy of the blockchain.
miguelrochefort超过 6 年前
This is why data regulation will never work. GDPR and Copyrights included. Nothing can be done about it, short of banning blockchains.
21超过 6 年前
&gt; <i>Returning to our analogy, the publisher of a best-selling book might announce that the first letter of every line in the book can be interpreted as a sequence of pixels that represents a pornographic image of a child. Can the police then arrest owners of the book? Common sense suggests that the answer is no, and most lawyers would agree.</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;why-porn-on-the-blockchain-wont-doom-bitcoin&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;why-porn-on-the-blockchain-wont-...</a>
aboutruby超过 6 年前
So is it going to be illegal to have the full blockchain data? That could prevent a lot of miners from operating