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Spotify will now suspend or terminate accounts it finds are using ad blockers

799 点作者 sinstein超过 6 年前

109 条评论

cletus超过 6 年前
Good.<p>Spotify has a pretty cheap paid option that removes all of that. To those who justify wanting the paid service for nothing by saying Spotify won&#x27;t &quot;take responsibility&quot; or &quot;assume liability&quot; for their ads or those ads &quot;might deliver malware&quot; or are &quot;intrusive&quot; as a weak rationalization, you present a false dichotomy. There are at least three options:<p>1. Pay for the service<p>2. Suffer through the ads<p>3. Don&#x27;t use the service<p>This thread is an object lesson in why basically every large service on the Internet is ad-supported. When people aren&#x27;t willing to pay for 1-2 coffees for <i>a month of unlimited music streaming</i> are you really surprised that companies have no choice to use an advertising revenue model?
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dessant超过 6 年前
They allow advertisers to run JS on your device, and ads are a trendy way to deliver malware. People are using ad blockers not just to hide annoyances and to improve performance, but to protect themselves from bad actors.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;spotifyforbrands.com&#x2F;en-US&#x2F;ad-experiences&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;spotifyforbrands.com&#x2F;en-US&#x2F;ad-experiences&#x2F;</a><p>&gt; JavaScript or iFrame Tags: All third-party tags and tracking URLs need to be in https format.<p>I was on the fence about this because there is a legitimate need to bring in revenue from free users, but they should stick to audio, video and image ads.
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furicane超过 6 年前
It&#x27;s fascinating how we, humans, are lazy. We&#x27;re lazy to the point where we&#x27;d gladly allow services like Spotify to control our computers just so they can make sure their ad was delivered. We&#x27;ll even justify it by &quot;well, I really listen to a lot of music&quot;. All I want is to push a button and get some bearable-noise during my 8 hours at work.<p>I don&#x27;t know about the rest, but I really hate when someone makes a fool out of me. I&#x27;m a lazy person too, if a service that I like asked me bluntly &quot;hey dude, wanna give us all your info and let us sniff your traffic so we can stick ads in, we&#x27;re even gonna sell it&quot; - I&#x27;d say - sure, you were honest enough, screw it - go ahead, I didn&#x27;t have to navigate through a wall of text critting me for 9000000 to get that piece of info.<p>But no. No one behaves like that. Long user agreements, service agreements, catchy call-to-actions on websites that promise wonderland filled with unicorns shitting M&amp;M&#x27;s and what not just so they get those few bucks out of me...<p>Oh well, hello foobar2000 my old friend, seems like I&#x27;ll un-lazy myself just to spite these prying assholes.
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SnowingXIV超过 6 年前
Long time premium spotify user, but it seems they are more interested in their ad-tech than anything else. They introduce 0 new features or improvements and in fact actually remove things over time. It&#x27;s amazing to see a product continue to get worse.<p>Before you could send your friends a message <i>within</i> Spotify to send a song for them to listen while in the application and could even carry on a discussion. It was slick. It was amazing and worked very well. They totally gutted it and made no indication of bringing it back. Now we&#x27;re stuck with this ridiculous arcane method of sending a link through a text message that now opens up in a browser (sometimes?) instead of the application itself.<p>Too much work to maintain this beloved feature, better fire all the engineers working on it and hire people to prevent ad-blocking for the non-paying customers.
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ngngngng超过 6 年前
Most of the discussion here is making this far too one-sided.<p>I reserve the right to control how content is delivered to my devices by blocking ads, and spotify reserves the right to block my account for doing so. Both of those practices are completely fair in my opinion. I have no problem with this (also I pay for spotify)
SirensOfTitan超过 6 年前
Sounds like a reasonable move.<p>Spotify delivers so much value that I couldn’t imagine not paying for it (or enduring ads). I listened to something like 25 straight days of music last year.
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nixpulvis超过 6 年前
Considering how services like Spotify and Apple Music incourage extra data usage, and randomally delete music as they see fit, I&#x27;m finding myself thinking more and more of these services as discovery tools (akin to radio) and less like media players (they aren&#x27;t).<p>One day very soon I&#x27;ll be playing all my music in something else entirely again. While it&#x27;s impossible to brush off the value of streaming services like Spotify, it&#x27;s a huge step backwards on many levels.<p>We must demand better.
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djohnston超过 6 年前
Spotify: Provide service that costs labor, resources, licensing, etc.<p>Spotify: Use ads for non-paying users to help cover the costs<p>Freeloading Users: Use third party software to sidestep this source of revenue, essentially getting the product for free.<p>Spotify: Ban these users.<p>Freeloading Users: shocked_pikachu.jpg
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chucksmash超过 6 年前
Unfortunately their web player has issues with recognizing some paid accounts.<p>I have a grandfathered $5&#x2F;mo no ads account. My corporate firewall settings prevent me from using the desktop Spotify client. The web player still plays ads for me when I&#x27;m signed in to my account.<p>When I raised this issue with Spotify support, they were friendly and professional but the answer boiled down to &quot;use the desktop client, the frontend sees your legacy paid account as a free one and we&#x27;re not going to update our code to handle it.&quot;<p>I use an adblocker on Spotify to get the ads-free experience I pay the company for.
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sidyapa超过 6 年前
This is a good move. Even though ads are annoying and frustrating at most times it is not anybody&#x27;s birth-right to use a product&#x2F;service for free and block their sources of revenue. If they have a pay-to-remove-ads option, use it.
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phailhaus超过 6 年前
The amount of people here outraged that Spotify is preventing them from blocking ads on the <i>free tier</i> is astounding. Pay for the service if you don&#x27;t want ads.
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redsky17超过 6 年前
The only reason I use an ad-blocker with Spotify in the first place is that they have an abundance of NSFW ads that play. I&#x27;m not really comfortable with Trojan advertisements while I&#x27;m sitting in the office plugging away. It&#x27;s definitely their right to deny service if people are freeloading... but there could be other people like me who wouldn&#x27;t use an ad blocker in the first place (on Spotify, at least) if the ads weren&#x27;t such garbage.
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krn超过 6 年前
What about the Brave browser[1], which works at the application level? Or Blokada[2], which works at the OS level? Or Pi-Hole[3], which works at the network level?<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;brave.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;brave.com</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blokada.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blokada.org</a><p>[3] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pi-hole.net" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;pi-hole.net</a>
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antoineMoPa超过 6 年前
I dont get why people use spotify instead of listening to free online radios from anywhere in the world. As a bonus, its like travelling. There are ads, but they target other people than you so its not even annoying (you will not be influenced to buy a car at a dealership in another country). Note that if you are the kind who likes targeted ads, this does not apply to you.
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tradesmanhelix超过 6 年前
&gt; All types of ad blockers, bots and fraudulent streaming activities are not permitted.<p>I feel like the bigger issue here is Spotify&#x27;s conflating the use of &quot;ad blockers&quot; with other (clearly illegal) activities like &quot;fraudulent streaming&quot;. If you don&#x27;t allow ad blockers on your service, fine. But lumping them in the same sentence with criminal activities...seems like a very slippery slope.<p>Hey Spotify: Instead of just throwing gasoline on the fire, why don&#x27;t you spend some of that venture capital to address the underlying issues here, namely: Why are people running ad blockers in the first place? Are they concerned about privacy or malvertising? Are your ads obnoxious? The only reason we&#x27;re in this boat is because the modern internet is pretty darn unusable without an ad blocker - consumers are sending a clear message with their use of ad blockers. Wake up and do something to help fix the problem.<p>As it stands, all you&#x27;ve done is throw down the gauntlet. Now, ad blockers will probably just get more sophisticated to work around your detection systems, and round and round we&#x27;ll go.<p>As for me, I&#x27;m done. I&#x27;ve deleted my Spotify account and will spend my time&#x2F;money supporting other services that are trying to improve the advertising situation on the internet instead of telling users to suck it up, turn off their ad blocker, and support a crappy ad ecosystem that&#x27;s especially predatory toward our less-technical friends and family members.<p>And hey - if you want to see an example of how to do internet advertising right, check out <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;carbonads.net" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;carbonads.net</a>. There&#x27;s no reason Spotify couldn&#x27;t pioneer the audio equivalent of what the awesome folks at Carbon have done. Props (and a whitelist in my ad blocker) to them.
lucb1e超过 6 年前
This is your friendly reminder to make backups of things you don&#x27;t want to lose. This happened to me when Grooveshark quit, so now I have a small script that pulls all song metadata from my Spotify account. I can always still buy music, switch services, etc., but I can&#x27;t get my collection back if they see my account mistakenly as blocking ads (I&#x27;m a paying customer but you never know).<p>Same with Telegram (or your favorite chat service) by the way. Almost nobody backs that up. Especially if you&#x27;re not paying and they can read your plaintexts (and find something potentially unwanted in there), be sure to make regular backups.
narrator超过 6 年前
Relevant South Park: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=z696bTiP8Ro" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=z696bTiP8Ro</a>
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RileyJames超过 6 年前
I pay for Spotify, and I’m about ready to drop it.<p>Offline play is the primary feature I pay for, and it’s SUCKS!!!<p>They simply DONT allow you to search an index of the songs that are saved to the device.<p>The major bug is, a song is generally only found via the index you saved it in.<p>Ie: if you save a song in a playlist, you can’t find it by searching for the artist.<p>If you save 3 albums by an artist, but not the artist, you try and view the artist, nothing appears.<p>On top of that, Spotify is the slowest flakiest app regarding internet connection. It regularly says “offline” or “can’t connect” when every other app works just fine.<p>On top of that, twice while upgrading the app it has deleted my ENTIRE saved library.
amatecha超过 6 年前
I assume paid subscribers aren&#x27;t affected by that rule? I have a pretty comprehensive &#x2F;etc&#x2F;hosts file that blocks a lot of ad networks (particularly ones known to traffic particularly onerous ads and&#x2F;or malicious code). There&#x27;s no way I&#x27;m nuking that because Spotify has this new rule. But I don&#x27;t see ads in Spotify anyways due to having a paid subscription. I assume this new &quot;rule&quot; will never affect me. Guess I better make a local backup of my library&#x2F;playlists just in case? :P<p>But.. to be honest, can we just have Rdio back? It was vastly superior and when it went under, Spotify was literally not even capable of importing my Rdio library (because Spotify actually limits how many songs you can add to your library, with a ridiculously low limit of _10,000_ songs). Users have been requesting an increase to this since 2014 or earlier, with of course zero changes to this amount. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;community.spotify.com&#x2F;t5&#x2F;Live-Ideas&#x2F;Your-Music-Increase-maximum-Songs-allowed-in-Your-Music&#x2F;idi-p&#x2F;733759" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;community.spotify.com&#x2F;t5&#x2F;Live-Ideas&#x2F;Your-Music-Incre...</a> (notice it has _451 pages_ of comments)
messe超过 6 年前
There&#x27;s thousands of free internet radio stations, most of which have none or minimal advertising. I recommend people try them out.
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heinrichhartman超过 6 年前
The question this boils down to ultimately is:<p>Who owns the consumption platform (device&#x2F;OS&#x2F;Browser)?<p>If the user owns the platform, it&#x27;s the responsibility of the service provider to deliver HTML. Nothing more. The user may display the content in any way he&#x2F;she like. Store it for later consumption. Extract information, etc. This is how the web was initially envisaged. Browser extensions which allow you to inject JS&#x2F;CSS are still a relict of this era.<p>If the service provider owns the platform, all the user may do is consume the content in its provided form (inc. Ads) or leave it. This is where the web is currently headed. With company controlled mobile platforms (iOS) the control over the platform is already completely out of the hand of the user. Consolidation of the Browser technology is another step in this direction.<p>If the regulator does not step in, this paradigm shift will go on, and we will see more and more lock-down of the web.
akerro超过 6 年前
Will it also block my account when I have pi-hole&#x2F;openwrt adblock? which blocks ads on DNS level
mancerayder超过 6 年前
That&#x27;s really not enough. There should be some kill signal, so that the operator on the other end is electrocuted, and&#x2F;or their equipment is destroyed if they violate the Terms and Conditions. For example:<p>. Ad blocker usage<p>. Preventing telemetry &#x2F; data funneling by using DNS blackholing or port blocking<p>. Anything else specified in the Terms and Conditions*<p>* - Which the user clicked Yes &#x2F; OK &#x2F; The Checkbox willingly, entering into a contract. They didn&#x27;t have to, right?<p>Up to, and including physical harm and death. How are companies supposed to make any money? Doesn&#x27;t everyone know the entire Internet would be non-existent without the ad-supported model? Don&#x27;t be selfish. Submit!
kylehotchkiss超过 6 年前
I still miss Rdio :( Apple Music&#x27;s playlists are great though! But iTunes is such a hot mess. I love how if you double click a song name in the right place, it gives you an interface to change the name of the song, album and artist.
vesak超过 6 年前
Nice alternative to Spotify is Apple Music. They recently opened up their API (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.apple.com&#x2F;documentation&#x2F;applemusicapi" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;developer.apple.com&#x2F;documentation&#x2F;applemusicapi</a>) which has been used to create a nice web interface by <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;musi.sh&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;musi.sh&#x2F;</a><p>Their suggestions AI is quite a bit behind Spotify&#x27;s unfortunately. Dunno if that&#x27;s by a lack of design or because of Apple&#x27;s privacy stance -- probably the former.
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kgwxd超过 6 年前
I got this email notice today and my first thought was &quot;why do I still have a Spotify account?&quot; then I remembered I was unable to get rid of it when I tried a few years ago. I found you can delete it here[1]: Account -&gt; I want to close my account permanently. Then there are a bunch of confirmations, including an email.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.spotify.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;contact-spotify-support&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.spotify.com&#x2F;us&#x2F;contact-spotify-support&#x2F;</a>
isostatic超过 6 年前
I assume this only applies to the <i>free</i> version of spotify
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mlthoughts2018超过 6 年前
No one is allowed to guarantee that an ad shows up on a screen I own. They can TRY to show an ad on my screen, and I might let them. But the conditions of use of any type of free service they emit out into nature emphatically does not include being allowed to control what appears on my screen. Nope. Never.<p>I am perfectly allowed to consume their free service AND ALSO control what I allow to appear on the screen that I own. It’s my screen.
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ProNeo超过 6 年前
Where&#x27;s the point when you can simply create new accounts? You do not even need to verify new accounts, so you could simply push some garbage email.
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Kye超过 6 年前
Time to stop using it, I guess. Their ads blast my head off with double the volume and make the whole thing unusable.<p>~$120&#x2F;year to remove ads is a lot of money just so I can listen to the odd pop song someone mentions that isn&#x27;t on YouTube. I don&#x27;t listen to much big label music. &quot;Big label music in one place&quot; is basically Spotify&#x27;s value proposition. $120 buys a <i>lot</i> on Bandcamp.
cdubzzz超过 6 年前
We have been thinking, admittedly for a few months, about paying for a Spotify subscription and this sort of makes me lean more against -- particularly as a Pi-hole user (though it doesn&#x27;t block Spotify&#x27;s audio ads).<p>I wish Bandcamp would start a radio-style service. I have tried in the past to use it that way but it always tends to fall out of my mind because I can&#x27;t just hit play and let it run.
jasonlfunk超过 6 年前
Apparently the new TOS says that they <i>may</i> do it, not they they will do it.
wicket超过 6 年前
I use a Firefox extension to protect me from CSRF attacks and tracking networks. It basically blocks all content from domains which do not not pertain to the page that I am reading. A side-effect of this is that it blocks most ads. The extension is frequently mistaken by many websites to be an ad blocker. I&#x27;ve no problem with ads per se, I realise that they are often important for funding a website. What I have a problem with is that the overwhelming majority of ads on the internet come from networks that are used for tracking.<p>I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;m alone. I wonder what percentage people use ad blockers primarily for privacy purposes. In a perfect world, websites would implement their own way of displaying ads that doesn&#x27;t rely on ad networks. This would make ads much harder to block, websites could potentially take 100% of the ad revenue, privacy advocates would be much happier and there would be less incentive for anyone to develop or use ad blockers.
xbkingx超过 6 年前
Are they still going to take all sorts of telemetry and &#x27;share&#x27; (read:sell) it to third parties if I pay for the service? Yes? Okay, then I&#x27;ll continue to support the most dastardly peglegs to ever sail the seven seas. I value my personal data at twice the value of their service, so technically I&#x27;m paying more than my fair share by not collecting on it. I&#x27;m saving THEM money - they would owe me the cost of their service if I didn&#x27;t block ads. And just like Spotify, I don&#x27;t have an opt-out option, so I don&#x27;t take it personally if they cease to provide service. I mean, technically, I DO require a 3 month notice and reserve the right to collect a $50,000 early termination fee, but I&#x27;m a nice guy.<p>It&#x27;s funny how automated systems that are impossible to oversee operate. It&#x27;s almost as if it shouldn&#x27;t be allowed, but, hey, they have my info and could have contacted me.<p>You get my data or my money, not both. There was a time when I would be fine with data collection - when it actually improved the product - but now that it&#x27;s another revenue stream to sell all that off to random third parties I have no control over, sorry, no dice. I have zero qualms with people not wanting advertising thrown at them 24&#x2F;7 while their life is continuously data mined.<p>Advertising is mental pollution. It&#x27;s not even junk food, since it offers no sustenance. It&#x27;s predatory. People need to stop pretending it&#x27;s an inconsequential option to throw it on a mediocre product no one would actually buy. If someone told me the apps&#x2F;programs I paid for bumped their prices up by 10x, I would still buy them. If I installed your app and chose the ad-riddled version, it&#x27;s because I barely care that it exists or didn&#x27;t want to bother with sifting through 10,000 clones.<p>This is what we get for the mobile app race-to-the-bottom. Mentally, &quot;$0.99 vs free<i>&quot; is much closer to &quot;$20 vs free</i>&quot;, than &quot;$20 vs $40&quot;. But, now we&#x27;re stuck. No one&#x27;s going to up their price to something reasonable, and if stores eliminate the free tier, then the ads will just migrate to the lowest priced tier. I 100% expect that ads will require camera permissions and force you to look at them within 10 years, maybe 5. Are people still going to be singing the startup-saving praise of ads when Pepsi is permanently burned into their retinas? &quot;I mean, you&#x27;re already looking at your phone, and you get this neat flashlight button!&quot;
davb超过 6 年前
I wonder if they&#x27;ll penalise paying users who also happen to be running an ad blocker. I pay for a Spotify family subscription but also block advertising and analytics domains in the hosts file on each of my devices. Spotify queries Scorecard Research regularly in the background even when it&#x27;s ostensibly not running (on Android).
dawnerd超过 6 年前
I’m just concerned as a paying customer. I blanket block all known ads and tracking scripts network wide via pihole. Are they going to ban me too because their precious tracking is blocked and their automated system thinks I’m the same as a free user blocking it? Solution that’s less hostile would be to just axe free accounts altogether.
userbinator超过 6 年前
To the other (currently) highly-positioned comment here who proposes &quot;just pay for it or don&#x27;t use it&quot;:<p>How do they know if you close your eyes or look away? How do they know if you plug your ears? How do they know you are actually paying attention to the ads and not just ignoring them? Are those actions, none other than the human free will, not essentially a form of adblocking?<p>My biggest concern with the &quot;just pay for it or don&#x27;t use it&quot; attitude is not how much it costs. That&#x27;s irrelevant. It&#x27;s the idea that it&#x27;s wrong to not &quot;consume&quot; ads somehow, or that it&#x27;s acceptable for companies to use increasingly intrusive techniques to monitor users for &quot;compliance&quot; of this consumption.<p>Not a Spotify user, so I have no skin (or ears...) in this game. But now I&#x27;m even more unlikely to become one.
GhostVII超过 6 年前
I think more companies with a free and paid teir should start doing this. The answer to ads shouldn&#x27;t be an ad blocker, it should be to pay for the service. The big problems we have to solve with this is making it easier and safer to pay for online services, and giving more services a paid and a free tier.
arthurofbabylon超过 6 年前
It blows my mind that an advertiser would present their product on Spotify’s ad network. The audience selects for people unwilling to spend even very little money on high-quality goods.<p>(In my social circles, avid consumers subscribe to Spotify by default. Several even subscribe to both Spotify and Apple Music.)
tzakrajs超过 6 年前
People here on HN are confused and believe that breaching a TOS is some sort of moral peril.<p>Calm down. It’s business and no one is going to jail because they blocked an advertisement. Society at large doesn’t think piracy is even worth punishing, so why and when did we become obsequious for RIAA or MPAA?
gboudrias超过 6 年前
So... they just became profitable, and now they&#x27;re about to spite a lot of users for about 10% of their revenue? I hope this day haunts them.<p>I can&#x27;t believe how many people are discussing this as if ads are the utmost legitimate moneymaker. Ads are parasitic by their very nature, their purpose is to forcibly occupy some mind real-estate. Nobody wants to see ads, yet a large industry exists based on making people see them anyway.<p>I&#x27;m happy when I learn that more and more people are using adblock, and I hope companies that rely on ads to survive disappear. Spotify has chosen to put itself in that camp. I think it&#x27;s foolishly short-sighted, and I hope time proves me right. The alternative is a future where the ads win... who really wants that?
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phn超过 6 年前
I get where they are coming from, but I&#x27;ve never seen this kind of strategy work. If someone wants to keep listening to their songs for free they will find a way to do it, possibly with a different vendor.<p>There&#x27;s also the possibility this is just talk to keep the advertisers happy.
epidemian超过 6 年前
I&#x27;m having a hard time understanding the rationale of this being &quot;Good.&quot;<p>It&#x27;s not like forcing people to watch or listen to the ads will make them click the ads, or like the products sold in those ads. In fact, i&#x27;d suspect forcing someone who prefers not to see ads to see them anyway will most likely make them dislike the advertised products, or the service that runs those ads, so it&#x27;d be a net loss.<p>It that not the case? If it is, then what&#x27;s point of doing this?<p>(Note: i pay for Spotify. I like the service, and i think providing &quot;extra&quot; features like being able to play exactly the songs you want, or download them is a better way of promoting the paid version than running annoying ads.)
djsumdog超过 6 年前
I have never used one of these subscription services because I hate renting my music. I buy my music. I frequently buy CDs in bars and rip them. I know when I buy a CD from an indie artist, they usually only paid $1 ~ $2 for that CD and get the full amount I pay them minus that. Bandcamp is seocnd best, because they only take 15% (compared to over 30% from Amazon&#x2F;Apple&#x2F;Google).<p>Buy your music people! You can get 250GB microSD cards. Back when the limit was 128GB, sure I couldn&#x27;t get all my music on my phone (I just had A-V .. W - Z just had to wait), but now I have all of it on there and probably won&#x27;t max out until larger cards are affordable.
jochs超过 6 年前
I&#x27;m surprised at the amount of entitlement hiding behind &quot;I&#x27;m worried about the security concerns of allowing 3rd party JS to run on my device.&quot; If you don&#x27;t want that happening, use one of the many alternatives and take the usability hit. Pandora, online portals for actual radio stations (like BBC Radio 1), and Youtube all work, but maybe don&#x27;t have as great of a user experience as Spotify (or another paid streaming service). And let&#x27;s be honest, the small minority of people here who evangelize &quot;Spotify is evil&quot; to friends&#x2F;family is not going to have a meaningful impact on their user numbers.
bmaupin超过 6 年前
Anyone know if there&#x27;s a host file blacklist for malicious domains only? Most of the ones I&#x27;ve seen block all ads.<p>The first time I experienced a malicious ad in Spotify on my Linux machine, I started blocking them via my hosts file [1]. I was only hoping to block malicious sites but it ended up giving me a completely ad-free experience in Spotify.<p>As a free user I accept that I will be exposed to ads in exchange for not paying for the service, but they seriously need to do a better job vetting for malicious ads.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;StevenBlack&#x2F;hosts" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;StevenBlack&#x2F;hosts</a>
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tareqak超过 6 年前
I wonder how Spotify&#x27;s revenue sharing agreement between themselves, record labels, and independent music producers compars with Spotify&#x27;s ad agreements between themselves and people buying ads.
davidhyde超过 6 年前
Why doesn&#x27;t spotify just stop playing the music if it &quot;detects&quot; ad blocking? It sounds like they don&#x27;t know how to detect ad blockers and are resorting to fear tactics like this instead.
move-on-by超过 6 年前
Isn&#x27;t the latest versions of Firefox blocking ads and trackers by default now? Is Spotify just going to block every Firefox user now? This seems extreme, I guess we&#x27;ll have to wait and see.
kingosticks超过 6 年前
They also changed their terms regarding reverse engineering.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=18978825" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=18978825</a>
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cannabis_sam超过 6 年前
It’s laughable how much of a fraud ”intelletual property” has become.<p>Smile everybody! We’re gonna be in a 30th century encylopiedia article about the stupidity of the 21th century..
dbg31415超过 6 年前
I used Spotify for a few years (with an ad blocker at the DNS-level) and never heard a single ad. I was constantly blown away by how great the service was, and free! Then I was on a road trip and heard the ads on my phone because I wasn&#x27;t using my at-home DNS. The ads were so annoying, came on after ever 3-4th song. Ad blockers were really effective on Spotify.<p>I&#x27;ve been a paying member for a few years now.<p>Curious if they will block paid users too.
barbecue_sauce超过 6 年前
I don&#x27;t have an adblocker per se, but I do have a great deal of ad domains rerouted to localhost in my hosts files (not intended for Spotify but for the web in general). This occasionally causes issues with Spotify, like the playlist not continuing because an ad can&#x27;t be loaded properly, but I still do get some ads (which I don&#x27;t really mind). I wonder if this will affect my account or not.
kpcyrd超过 6 年前
Just to be sure, this is only for free accounts, right? Having a paid account suspended because a friend runs a pi hole would be pretty annoying.
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shocks超过 6 年前
Using an ad-blocker to listen to Spotify for free because you &quot;don&#x27;t believe in their malware serving practices!&quot; is sort of like being vegan but eating meat anyway. If you really can&#x27;t accept Spotify on some fundamental level you shouldn&#x27;t be using Spotify.<p>All these people up in arms about ad-blockers on Spotify are just trying to justify being cheap.
morpheuskafka超过 6 年前
They have threatened to do this on Android for a long time[1], unfortunately, this affects alternate clients as well as piracy.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.neowin.net&#x2F;news&#x2F;spotify-disables-modified-apps-may-suspend-accounts-of-repeat-offenders&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.neowin.net&#x2F;news&#x2F;spotify-disables-modified-apps-m...</a>
sinstein超过 6 年前
I basically see two schools of thought in the discussion:<p>1. People that believe ads are strictly a source of revenue. If you don&#x27;t like them but want to use the service, pay for the service<p>2. People who believe that ads are more than a banner on the page, its permission for ad networks and services to run potentially malicious content on their computer
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Havoc超过 6 年前
I can deal with paying for stuff. I can deal with &quot;you are the product being sold&quot; services.<p>I can&#x27;t deal with being both simultaneously. Companies that attempt that combo can kindly shove a cactus somewhere.<p>Maybe this is just a bad article, but to me the no ad-blockers sounds like a blanket ban not just free users.
Nursie超过 6 年前
I like spotify, I pay for a family subscription which gives us an account each for my partner and I, plus a bunch of spare accounts for things like Sonos and Alexa to use. Never hear an ad because I pay for the service.<p>If they <i>did</i> start shooting ads at me, I&#x27;d cancel in a flash, same goes for Netflix etc.
elamje超过 6 年前
But Spotify is only $10 a month....Your time spent pirating vs. time saved on Spotify has to be worth something.
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MattyS超过 6 年前
I have no idea what the ads on Spotify are like now as I haven&#x27;t used it in over 3 years but it was pretty annoying where you&#x27;re listening to heavy metal and then an ad for a pop band comes on. And are they still doing that crap where a free account can&#x27;t pick any specific songs?
ArrayList超过 6 年前
I just hit Mute as soon as an ad comes on, and unmute when the ads are done... joke&#x27;s on you, Spotify.
rjplatte超过 6 年前
Cool. For all those hating on grifters, I don&#x27;t think anyone&#x27;s in the moral right or wrong here. Spotify is trying to monetize a free service, some people don&#x27;t like that. This won&#x27;t affect Spotify&#x27;s profits meaningfully, and the grifters will always grift.
jshowa3超过 6 年前
I don&#x27;t agree with blocking users with ad block. Just embed ads in stream, it makes so much more sense. This is just an excuse so Spotify can run ad spam on their clients. I&#x27;ll stick with Google Play. 100 times better. Only play a few embedded stream ads (like Pandora).
ryandrake超过 6 年前
I wonder how this works with things like Pi-hole. I block ads at the DNS level for my whole house with dnsmasq. Any guest who connects to my WiFi AP gets this benefit through their DHCP configuration. Will Spotify ban their accounts for using the service while visiting me?
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bregma超过 6 年前
This is the music industry. Spotify should be happy playing music for me in exchange for exposure.
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MorrisofOrange超过 6 年前
But can they block me muting the ads?
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moonshinefe超过 6 年前
I hate ads and they are often brain melting &#x2F; malicious &#x2F; resource hogging anyway. I also cannot afford to pay $5-10 for dozens of separate services a month at the moment. Guess I&#x27;ll be listening to other sites if they ban me. You win Spotify.
arkades超过 6 年前
Every time someone says, &quot;ugh, I&#x27;d pay for FB just to remove the ads&quot; ... well, here you are.<p>This is spotify&#x27;s action to protect its revenue for its ad-supported free offering. <i>You can pay to be rid of it</i>.<p>Absolutely no one is strong-arming you into this.
mancerayder超过 6 年前
There are so many complaints about Amazon&#x27;s power and reach, but does anyone else here see an in for Amazon Music? I&#x27;ve been a Spotify paying member for years, but even though it only affects free members it makes me raise my eyebrows.
x15超过 6 年前
It will be interesting to see how this goes.<p>If the users are serious about the right to choose for themselves. If they dislike adverts. Spotify may experience some business shrinkage.<p>That could signal a reversal of one catastrophic aspect of the current Internet.
itslennysfault超过 6 年前
Interesting. I wonder if this includes paid customers. &#x27;cause I pay for Spotify, but run ad &#x2F; tracker block on my network. If they suspend or terminate me they&#x27;ll be losing a paying customer.
aklemm超过 6 年前
Monthly paid service for all the music I can possibly want is such a good deal vs. the old days of collecting CDs. This is one specific area where the Internet as absolutely delivered on it&#x27;s potential.
coenhyde超过 6 年前
I recently cancelled my Spotify subscription because of their low quality audio. But i was reverting to it for music i couldn&#x27;t find on Tidal. I guess I&#x27;m going to have to nuke it entirely now.<p>I&#x27;m assuming they are going to consider my use of outbound traffic restrictions on the Spotify app &quot;ad blocking&quot;. Spotify makes all kind of ridiculous outbound requests for ad services, and many of those requests are over plain text http. Given that Spotify is a webkit app, that&#x27;s a nice little attack vector Spotify is providing. Not to mention malicious ads often make their way into the ad networks. So i just block anything other than 443 to *.spotify.com domains.<p>Just deleted the app. I&#x27;ll use Youtube instead.
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lajtul超过 6 年前
So, I block Spotify ads by adding entries in the hosts file on Linux, Mac, and Windows... will Spotify still ban me since I&#x27;m not using an ad blocker or a modified app?
the_arun超过 6 年前
Isn’t spotify family plan expensive? Netflix &amp; Amazon prime - both are &lt; $15 per month for HD family plan. But spotify just for music is $15. Is it fair?
Taylor_OD超过 6 年前
Boo. Anti consumer practices like this are a slippery slope.
toyg超过 6 年前
1.3% of the userbase is hardly a major problem, imho; it’s just another cost of doing business.<p>Spotify must be trying to bury some other bad news to their investors.
tiuPapa超过 6 年前
I use uBlock Origin and I still receive ads on Spotify. Am I in the clear or not? (I would pay for it but Spotify keeps delaying Indian launch)
JohnTHaller超过 6 年前
Simple solution is to allow paid accounts to run adblockers and block free account users who block ads without banning their accounts.
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close04超过 6 年前
What qualifies as adblocking? Would connecting to the WiFi of someone using PiHole constitute adblocking and get you account banned?
codykochmann超过 6 年前
There goes the accounts of anyone working in a place that blocks ads for their entire wifi network for anti-malware purposes.
g45y45超过 6 年前
It is my prerogative to decide which media files my browser consumes. It is my right to enforce security protections in my browser instance. All those that say &#x27;good spotify is blocking the freeloaders&#x27; -- this is not the point. They are requiring you to consume specific media which you do not wish. Advertising is coercive, and Spotify is applying violence (threats) to enforce their business model. Not my problem. Not that I would pay any of this trash anyway.
jimnotgym超过 6 年前
If enough of us set out to click every ad we saw I think we could make a really interesting change to the internet...
solarkraft超过 6 年前
That took pretty long. I&#x27;ve been using a modified Spotify client that worked exceptionally well until it was shut down.
cmurf超过 6 年前
I notice a ton of stuff is being piholed when I&#x27;m listening to Pandora, even though I still hear ads.
yakubin超过 6 年前
And what if I pay for the service AND have an ad blocker installed? Are they going to suspend my account?
tareqak超过 6 年前
What if a paid account is using an ad blocker? Does the account holder get banned then?
m3kw9超过 6 年前
Makes sense, given they pretty much depend on either ads or pay to remove ads to survive
geggam超过 6 年前
Yet FM radio is still free and no one can tell if you turn the radio down during ads
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minikites超过 6 年前
If the service Spotify uses to host&#x2F;serve ads get hacked and delivers malware to my computer, they should be held responsible for the cost and time spent addressing the malware. If I actually brought this up with them, I assume I would be laughed out of their office. Spotify can&#x27;t have it both ways.
noja超过 6 年前
Free accounts or all accounts? (is this a precursor to adverts for paid accounts?)
darod超过 6 年前
I wonder if this also applies to people who edit their hosts file.
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laretluval超过 6 年前
Next step is smarter ad blockers.<p>Where is this arms race headed?
anarchy8超过 6 年前
This is an arms race that Spotify will loose.
starpucks超过 6 年前
Are there ad blockers on iOS for Spotify ?
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bigbaguette超过 6 年前
on a side note, that&#x27;s going to be 2 million less users in their ML feeds (1.3 percent of the user base)
polskibus超过 6 年前
What if I have firewall that blocks some IPs and it just so happens that they belong to the ad servers? Will it count as circumvention?
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include超过 6 年前
I just want the content I paid for.
iamaziz超过 6 年前
I never liked Spotify anyways!
midnightdiesel超过 6 年前
Ah, the imminent decline of Spotify. I’ve been wondering what was taking so long to get that going.
CraneWorm超过 6 年前
I predict an arms race.
dirtylowprofile超过 6 年前
Spotify has a really crap mobile app both iOS and macOS.
alexbanks超过 6 年前
Adios Spotify.
Simulacra超过 6 年前
Another good reason to not use Spotify.
xtat超过 6 年前
lol bye spotify
jordache超过 6 年前
ha watch their total subscriber count drop
rnvhhynr超过 6 年前
With an ad blocker on your browser, you can skip all ads. If you&#x27;re afraid of getting banned and losing your playlists, then create your playlists using one Spotify account, set them as collaborative, then import them from another Spotify account, and run them from there.
00deadbeef超过 6 年前
I pay on credit card so they can expect a chargeback if they pull this shit on me
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