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Airbnb is squeezing Toronto’s housing market

51 点作者 ericzawo超过 6 年前

9 条评论

jseliger超过 6 年前
It appears that unfair and exclusionary zoning is squeezing Toronto&#x27;s housing market: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cbc.ca&#x2F;news&#x2F;canada&#x2F;toronto&#x2F;landlords-housing-advocates-hope-council-loosens-arbitrary-rules-on-secondary-suites-1.4895814" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cbc.ca&#x2F;news&#x2F;canada&#x2F;toronto&#x2F;landlords-housing-adv...</a>. Looks like Toronto is, like most North American cities, is legally constricting the supply of housing, leading to higher prices: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vox.com&#x2F;cards&#x2F;affordable-housing-explained&#x2F;supply-side-of-affordable-housing-matters-most" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vox.com&#x2F;cards&#x2F;affordable-housing-explained&#x2F;suppl...</a>.<p>The framing of the article&#x27;s headline is bad.
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nis10超过 6 年前
In an ideal free-market you only need 2 regulations:<p>1.Prevent monopolies and 2. Fight fraud.<p>1. According to insideairbnb.com there are 8,946 full time high-availability airbnbs in Toronto. However if we look regular apartments available for rent on zillow , padmapper.com etc, there are only 8,429 or less units available. This means airbnb has a monopoly on available living space. We don&#x27;t need new regulation, monopolies are illegal. It&#x27;s no surprise during the busy summer events a 1 bedroom airbnb can shoot up to 800$&#x2F;night.<p>Annectodal evidence confirms this. I&#x27;ve been living here for 13 years. 2&#x2F;3 of the new condos are usually empty, I&#x27;m not exaggerating. Wether you look at them year round from the outside, ask people if anyone actually lives on their floors, talk to the concierge in different buildings, they&#x27;re more than half empty. This is a combination of airbnb and also the foreign investor market for condos that are &quot;never livded-in&quot;. Also this is not uber, uber is great because it has competition from lyft. AirBnb does not, landlords are basically their contractors, i don&#x27;t pay them, i pay airbnb, they set the price and promos. They control more than half the market. They further enhance scarcity because airbnb&#x27;s are profitable even if they&#x27;re unused for 2&#x2F;3 of the time, so if we look at housing as units of a &#x27;good-nights-sleep&#x27; , we can clearly see how this is anti-competitive behaviour.<p>2.Fight fraud: There are no employment checks for foreigners getting a mortgage in Toronto, as long as they provide a 34% downpayment and have in the bank about a year of mortgage payments. I can&#x27;t legally compete with that. I don&#x27;t have some third world factory, gambling business, foreign politicians in the family laundering money through me. I&#x27;m just a hard-working citizen, my student landlord has literally never had a job in their life, this is borderline feudalism at this point.
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canada_dry超过 6 年前
To play devil&#x27;s advocate... Airbnb is a much better alternative (for landlords) vs leasing out and that&#x27;s why it&#x27;s wildy successful in Toronto.<p>Landlords often find themselves in a costly and exasperating battle dealing with a shitty tenant.<p>Once a shitty tenant moves in, it can be several months of legal battles to remove them... and the landlord is out-of-pocket thousands of dollars.<p>Airbnb does away with most of this risk.<p>Update: www.airbnbhell.com demonstrates, it has it&#x27;s own risks!
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KingMachiavelli超过 6 年前
Besides the effect on the housing market, I think many towns and cities are regulating short term rentals (AirBnB) in a manner that falls prey to the classic XY problem. (You want X so keep suggesting and focusing on Y) This often tags the form of enacting severely limiting occupancy limits in the name of reducing parking demand despite the fact that the majority of the occupants are often children. (Family reunions are very common so having 6 adults + children can quickly _seem_ like a lot of people).<p>I would argue that local municipalities should _actually_ enforce noise, parking, and other peace keeping ordinences _instead_ of (heavily) regulatting short term rentals directly. If the current laws are insufficient at keeeping tourists&#x2F;renters in check, they should enact additional laws based on actual input from their constituents to address real complaints instead of regulating AirBnB and short term rentals.<p>A shitty neighbor is a shitty neighbor independent of if they are a home owner or a renter. If local ordinences were actually levied against the owners of properties with misbehaving guests, they would have an economic incentive to regulate their tenants more carefully.
cde-v超过 6 年前
Airbnb is squeezing every metropolitan housing market.
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personlurking超过 6 年前
One can see the Airbnb data for Toronto in the link below:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.airdna.co&#x2F;vacation-rental-data&#x2F;app&#x2F;ca&#x2F;ontario&#x2F;toronto&#x2F;overview" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.airdna.co&#x2F;vacation-rental-data&#x2F;app&#x2F;ca&#x2F;ontario&#x2F;to...</a>
refurb超过 6 年前
Interesting article considering Toronto&#x27;s housing market is rolling over in a bad way.<p><i>In fact the average detached house in the jewel of the GTA is changing hands for 12% less than in the Spring of last year and a crispy 25.6% under what it commanded the previous year.</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.greaterfool.ca&#x2F;2019&#x2F;02&#x2F;06&#x2F;nowhere-to-hide&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.greaterfool.ca&#x2F;2019&#x2F;02&#x2F;06&#x2F;nowhere-to-hide&#x2F;</a>
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motohagiography超过 6 年前
Interesting to view Airbnb as a kind of capital flight for property. The risk&#x2F;reward of short term rentals is better than that of tenants, and so owners are switching.<p>The main gap is between the risk adjusted value of a lease vs. the potential income on short term rentals. Theoretically, over the long term, the net value of a lease should be greater than what you can net from the short term market, but something has broken that.<p>Also, given that rental income is taxed as regular income at the top marginal rate that the owner pays, does that not mean an owner must charge at least %40 more than their mortgage payment to break even? Given most of those condos have mortgages from people with middle class jobs, pricing that in creates a dead loss that would cause rent increases by itself.
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dawhizkid超过 6 年前
Ironic to think how damaging Airbnb can be to cities with tight housing markets and yet run by mostly leftist executives and employees...