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Inside the Fortified, Nuke-Proof Bunker that's Now Hosting Wikileaks

100 点作者 FSecurePal超过 14 年前

13 条评论

pigbucket超过 14 年前
"...one wonders why Swedish Bahnhof would take on the challenge of hosting a site that will probably be under permanent attack for the foreseeable future.<p>Unless it's for the PR value"<p>That's a good example of allowing one's imagination of possibilities to wander over very short distances. Is it that inconceivable that a company might be motivated by something other than the bottom line? Arvinjoar commented earlier on the principled character of the Bahnhof's founder: <a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959961" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1959961</a>
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bullseye超过 14 年前
As far as articles go, I'm not impressed with this one. Although I'd be willing to admit that my interest in all things Wikileaks is seriously waning.<p>That said, there was little to no information about the actual data center, other than a link to a Forbes article about the first time Wikileaks moved there. They even embedded the same video from that original article.<p>Throw in an offhand and speculative comment about Amazon bowing "to political pressure" and a few Flickr pictures and presto! I almost felt like I was reading another one of Shaun Gallagher's "I wrote this article with one mouse click" experiments.
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rdl超过 14 年前
Bahnhof is pretty amazing. They have great interior design too, almost like a movie set (although I haven't visited in person yet).<p>While for reasons of principle, hosting controversial content is great, and if it's legal in your jurisdiction, it is up to you if you want to do it, as a practical matter, a site getting &#62;10Gbps DDoS while paying presumably close to nothing is going to potentially impair the usability of other sites in the datacenter. Even if you don't put profits above principle, you have a responsibility to your other customers to not fuck them over.<p>A pure colocation (vs. managed or hosting) facility in a legal to host jurisdiction, near or at a carrier hotel where you can cheaply buy bandwidth from a bunch of different providers (on their core networks), and with great filtering agreements in place with the upstreams, is probably the only way to go. The colocation facility is just renting you space and power, and it's a much more arms length relationship; you can rapidly turn up network connections from other providers within the facility, vs. your own building somewhere (where running fiber often requires digging up the streets).<p>Back in 2000 I did this with ~2Gbps of aggregate transit/peering to people inside London Telehouse, and 4xE1 + WiFi to the hosting location, with VPN over VSAT as a backup.<p>You want to be able to put "problem" customers on their own subnets, potentially on their own routers and even transit connections, to isolate them from the rest of your customers. Combined with the regulatory constraints, Stockholm and Amsterdam are probably the best places to do this right now (or SFBA if it's a customer who will not be a legal problem in the US).
cosmicray超过 14 年前
Back in the late 1960s, and early 1970s, AT&#38;T built a series of nuke resistant bunkers. The typical specs were concrete walls 36" thick, self contained turbine generators, water and air purification, plus rations to last up to 6 months. Some of those facilities are still around and operating (including one not far from me). I would expect that the switching gear of todays vintage takes up much less space and power than it did in 1971. Back then the interconnections were via long-distance coxial cable and microwave. Today there are fiber huts adjacent to the bunker.<p>I wonder what AT&#38;T uses all that extra floor space for now.
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patrickgzill超过 14 年前
Is this a black eye for Amazon, or do they get a pass due to the pressure that we assume was applied to them as a company domiciled in the USA?
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tlack超过 14 年前
Can anyone with more technical knowledge comment on this facility's connectivity to the internet, and how damage-resistant that is? If someone were to forcibly take Wikileaks offline, I would think internet connectivity would be the easiest attack vector, especially if they're located in a remote bunker which probably limits their options.
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arethuza超过 14 年前
No bunker is really completely nuke-proof - even Cheyenne mountain had multiple SS-18s with single 25 <i>megaton</i> warheads targeted at it - it would not have survived.<p>You might survive a near miss or fallout in a bunker - but in the age of precision delivered and/or high yield bombs nowhere is 100% safe.
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woadwarrior01超过 14 年前
More pictures of the Bahnhof datacenter, from the pingdom blog. <a href="http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/11/14/the-worlds-most-super-designed-data-center-fit-for-a-james-bond-villain/" rel="nofollow">http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/11/14/the-worlds-most-super-de...</a>
davidedicillo超过 14 年前
This is a 360 tour of the place <a href="http://www.bahnhof.se/panorama/" rel="nofollow">http://www.bahnhof.se/panorama/</a>
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chrislloyd超过 14 年前
I think now is an appropriate time to mention "When Sysadmins Ruled the Earth": <a href="http://baens-universe.com/articles/when_sysadmins_ruled_the_earth" rel="nofollow">http://baens-universe.com/articles/when_sysadmins_ruled_the_...</a>
mkramlich超过 14 年前
Crypt anyone?<p>Just finished Stephenson's masterpiece last week.<p>I bet that's Randy in that last pic. ;)
gravaint超过 14 年前
Looks like a place that Jack Bauer would break into.
die_sekte超过 14 年前
Utterly insane. Neat. Holy shit. I don't know what to think.