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Chinese tech firms are throwing out applicants over the age of 30

118 点作者 monsieurpng大约 6 年前

29 条评论

dang大约 6 年前
This article is both shallow and basically blogspam of <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;features&#x2F;2018-05-02&#x2F;china-s-tech-industry-wants-youth-not-experience" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;features&#x2F;2018-05-02&#x2F;china-s-t...</a>.<p>Note that the site guidelines include: &quot;<i>Please submit the original source. If a post reports on something found on another site, submit the latter.</i>&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;newsguidelines.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;newsguidelines.html</a>
jerf大约 6 年前
Well, as ways to ensure that China never really becomes competitive technically go, this seems to be one of the faster ones.<p>I mean, the idea that people get <i>better</i> with <i>experience</i>... ludicrous! Beyond ludicrous! Unpatriotic!<p>Not entirely sure I buy it as a industry-wide phenomenon, though. I&#x27;d guess this is a particular subset of the industry or something, just as it is in the West.
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Bukhmanizer大约 6 年前
Why are the standards of evidence so much lower for trends in Chinese and Japanese culture?<p>First of all, the title of the article isn’t supported by the content.<p>Secondly, the evidence of the title appears to be a single unnamed recruiter.<p>Third, of course a vast majority of people in tech in China are going to be young. Do people not remember the economic situation of China 20-30 years ago?
jandrewrogers大约 6 年前
What could possibly go wrong when your hiring processes preclude most people with in-depth real-world experience? Learning lessons the hard way is expensive.
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thorwasdfasdf大约 6 年前
It&#x27;s all symptoms of the same problem: a vast oversupply of educated talent. To some degree we have it here to in the US, but it&#x27;s much greater in China. With an oversupply of labor&#x2F;talent, companies can be arbitrarily selective.<p>In China, seasonal workers coming into the city actually earn more than college degree holders because there&#x27;s just so many people with degrees. We something similar starting to happen in the US, as more and more people get bachelors degrees, those people get compensated less and less.
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reilly3000大约 6 年前
Younger workers are less likely to take moral positions on company activities. I worked at a mortgage lead generation site in the 2000&#x27;s and bought everything management sold. I can&#x27;t see myself doing anything like that at this stage in my life.
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alphamale619大约 6 年前
&quot;They’re not able to focus on the high-intensity work&quot; That is true. most 30 and over people with work experience know devoting 9-12 hours a day to a company is not worth it. While, a young engineer right out of college doesn&#x27;t know any better. Burn them out after 2-3 years. rinse and repeat.<p>The main problem is employees are &quot;at-will.&quot; Meaning they can be fired at anytime without reason. companies have no incentive to not overwork employees. Laws regarding &quot;at-will&quot; need to be changed
syntaxing大约 6 年前
Interestingly enough,I&#x27;m having the opposite problem here in the US... I&#x27;ve been applying to multiple tech firms for hardware roles and keep on getting rejected since they are almost all trying to hire senior positions rather than mid-level at this time.
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Jonnax大约 6 年前
It&#x27;s funny how executive leadership never consider themselves too old for the job.
AFascistWorld大约 6 年前
Considering what big tech firms do in China mostly is copying other people&#x27;s ideas using their own guys then drive them out of business, cheaper is better.
mythrwy大约 6 年前
All firms? Some firms? Most firms? The biggest firms? China is pretty big place.<p>Not that I don&#x27;t believe it because things like that appear to happen informally in the US as well, but article would have been better with some supporting numbers.
terryschiavo22大约 6 年前
More punitive OT laws help discourage this kind of behavior. You&#x27;d seek out more experienced workers if it meant avoiding the huge salaries you&#x27;d otherwise be paying younger workers working large swaths of OT.
atum47大约 6 年前
That kinda sucks. I was recently approached by two Google employees, one of them said he likes my projects on GitHub, that I&#x27;m Google material and if I would like for him to refer me to a job there. I was very excited, of course. Did all they asked, applied for 3 positions as the usual on their process and managed to not even pass to the first interview. I&#x27;m 34 and going to college for 2nd time, graduating this year. Maybe this isn&#x27;t my case, but I can&#x27;t help to wonder.
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itissid大约 6 年前
This would make a good study in Economics:<p>1. Given Large supply of Developers as compared to Demand.<p>1.1 What causes Poor Software Quality Control and Poor hiring practices(resume padding or tech hiring offloaded to non techies)?<p>Are things like Long&#x2F;Odd Working hours, Poor wages(race to the bottom), Talent flight and High attrition rate, Poor productivity etc just enforcing a vicious cycle till things hit some sort of equilibrium(software that just works and is barely maintainable and business margin is based on things like PPP between countries)?<p>1.2 How do good things come about; Like Decent&#x2F;Good Software Quality Control, Good Hiring practices? Perhaps these cases have just okayish wages but poor working hours&#x2F;balance? And there is an implicit bias towards a Younger talent pool because of focus on productivity.<p>2. Given short supply of workers as compared to Demand I have seen similarities to 1.1 and 1.2, the only difference is that people have options and always gravitates towards better employers and work conditions; the wages are overall much better than case 1 period. There are still many interesting economic questions to be answered here, but likely different, more specialized ones as compared to (1).
mzo123231大约 6 年前
Basically there are no senior developers in those tech firms. They are going to be running around in circles. I couldn&#x27;t think of a worst idea.
logfromblammo大约 6 年前
Unfortunately, the current US immigration policy has made it unlikely that US tech firms would be able to take advantage of any prejudicial ageism bias in China.<p>It&#x27;d be nice to entice them to resettle in cities other than those on the west coast, too, but that might be a local culture problem, less amenable to remediation by legislation.
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known大约 6 年前
&quot;If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.&quot; --Reagan
jondubois大约 6 年前
In the future, the majority of the world&#x27;s population will be either hackers or mafia members. It will be a complete breakdown of human values. World governments will probably be forced to legalize crime. If we remove meritocracy, we&#x27;ll end up with anarchy.
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madengr大约 6 年前
You can always work in the military industrial complex. Lot’s of gray hair, including myself. Most under 35 don’t know WTF they are doing anyway; sometimes amusing to watch them flop, then $$$ for me to fix their mess.
duxup大约 6 年前
A little bit like the US maybe?<p>I was already in a technical field, was laid off after a company buyout, I changed careers and took a coding bootcamp.<p>A few like minded classmates and I would compare notes after we did interviews.<p>The other two older guys and I got a lot of &quot;culture&quot; related questions. One dude was actually told by the recruiter that they were worried he was too old, he was surprised they&#x27;d actually say it to him so he asked ... and the recruiter repeated herself happily.<p>Meanwhile the younger classmates reported hearing nothing about &quot;company culture&quot; in any of their interviews...<p>The description of culture was often pretty benign (&quot;we like to have fun&quot; and so forth) but I couldn&#x27;t help but wonder if it wasn&#x27;t just a placeholder for some bias. On one occasion I got a description of &quot;we&#x27;re a young office&quot;.
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trhway大约 6 年前
the same reason why everybody drafts&#x2F;conscripts youngsters into the army - the youngsters dont ask questions, dont hold theirs superiors responsible and with great enthusiasm do what they told to do. A very powerful sledgehammer style tool. Obviously been there myself - not the army, that i dodged by the way of ROTC (USSR&#x2F;Russia), i mean i&#x27;ve been to that place of stupid(well, looking back it looks that way even though it is in significant part a result of inexperience) unquestioning enthusiasm.
sneakernets大约 6 年前
So experience doesn&#x27;t matter anymore? Why even bother?
purplezooey大约 6 年前
I don&#x27;t like what we&#x27;re doing to people over 30&#x2F;40 at all. How long will this last? Is it a global fad of some kind?
thrownaway954大约 6 年前
Maybe for programmers, but for DBAs, Sys and Network Admins, most companies want older candidates in my experience.
nudpiedo大约 6 年前
The rest of the developed world is aging, I guess each society has to leverage their strengths.
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anonlapwarmer大约 6 年前
Workers forget they&#x27;re basically underpaid chattel.
mistrial9大约 6 年前
confirm -- recent first-person account by an American living in Vietnam capital city .. tech dev ads explicitly ask for under-30
jackfrodo大约 6 年前
I recently was talking to a libertarian friend about this kind of thing (specifically the gender wage gap). He argued that if there were a group of people getting paid less for the same work, then any good business would only hire people like that, because it&#x27;s cheaper.<p>Obviously this isn&#x27;t the case, but I do find it curious that the market doesn&#x27;t seem to prove a strong enough incentive for the people making hiring decisions to overcome their biases.
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0815test大约 6 年前
Looks like SV is exporting techbro ageism to China, this will surely help with the trade deficit!