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Slack Is Not Where 'Deep Work' Happens

381 点作者 zzaner大约 6 年前

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protonimitate大约 6 年前
I&#x27;ll play devils advocate.<p>I like Slack, and having a group communication tool has only increased my productivity.<p>How? - Having a place to easily search for issues others have had in the past. Sure, you can search emails or ask the same questions, but it&#x27;s nice to search and find answers from other peoples conversations. - Integration for production alerting, customer feedback, and deployment pipelines. Instead of manually digging through several different web UIs or using a bunch of different CLIs, I can just take a look at the corresponding channel. - Notifications _can be_ non-distracting. Being the correct channels, snoozing alerts, or just exiting slack when you need the deep focus headspace, is easy.<p>I specifically don&#x27;t want to be called&#x2F;texted&#x2F;interrupted in person unless it&#x27;s something severely important. 90% of the time its not. I would much rather ignore a slack notification than answer a meaningless phonecall, or politely tell someone to bug off in person.<p>I will say, the &quot;always on&quot; culture is hard to face when Slack&#x2F;group messaging is a companies main point of communication. Luckily, I&#x27;ve only ever been in places where its been understood that you are only expected to be responsive during your work day.<p>But, I think the negative effects of the cost of distraction by slack are overblown. There are endless ways to be distracted these days, and Slack is not the worst thing out there. You can always just exit the program.
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rjdagost大约 6 年前
For myself, Slack is such a time waster that I&#x27;m at the point where I only check on it periodically. I tell coworkers that if there&#x27;s an emergency that needs to be tended to right away, just text, call, or talk to me in person. If there&#x27;s something that can wait, email is better. After 2+ years of using Slack on several different teams, I have yet to see any enhanced group communications. I do however see massive amounts of distractions and failed concentration. I&#x27;m sure &quot;I&#x27;m doing it wrong&quot;, but this has been my experience with Slack.
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w8rbt大约 6 年前
Reminds me of this Knuth quote, <i>&quot;Email is a wonderful thing for people whose role in life is to be on top of things. But not for me; my role is to be on the bottom of things.&quot;</i><p>Source: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu&#x2F;~knuth&#x2F;email.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu&#x2F;~knuth&#x2F;email.html</a>
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StavrosK大约 6 年前
For a bit of context for the following, I&#x27;ve been working remote for years, five years in my previous company and one in the current one.<p>The previous company did not use Slack. We used XMPP for one-on-one IMing (we did have chat rooms but nobody used them), physical desk phones for meetings or high-bandwidth chats, and email for everything else. The current company uses Slack and Zoom for meetings.<p>There&#x27;s a big difference between the two companies in socialization and how they feel, and I put it down to Slack. The old company mainly had one-on-one chats with anything involving more people being done through well-thought-out emails, whereas this one is pretty much exclusively chat rooms.<p>This has the effect that you talk about work and <i>only</i> work, as you don&#x27;t have that dead time after you&#x27;re finished talking about the thing you need to say &quot;what&#x27;s new with you?&quot;. Instead of privately talking to your coworker and being able to be sincere, you&#x27;re yelling your conversation all around the room so the interaction is pretty much going to be confined to work stuff.<p>If you&#x27;re starting now, I would wholeheartedly recommend getting your communications mostly one-on-one, and using something like Zulip for company communications, which has the feel of email but with a better UI. I also cannot recommend getting physical phones enough, they worked so much better than mobile phones or Zoom that they crossed the barrier of inconvenience, which meant we talked to each other much more often.<p>It&#x27;s not a huge hassle to get a Zoom going, but it is <i>some</i> hassle, and headphones&#x2F;etc are enough to dissuade us from just picking up the phone and calling each other. Desk phones (connected to our PBX) were so seamless that you pressed a button and were connected to your coworker instantly, with amazing sound quality, a microphone that picked your voice up perfectly from anywhere in the room and a physical mute button.<p>I should write an article about this, actually.
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commandlinefan大约 6 年前
Deep work? We live in a world of open offices, daily standups, max-four-hour JIRA tickets and pair&#x2F;mob programming. The people in charge don&#x27;t believe that &quot;deep work&quot; even means anything.
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rohtul大约 6 年前
“Group chat is like being in an all-day meeting with random participants and no agenda.”<p>That. So true.
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nottorp大约 6 年前
I don&#x27;t understand. Why do you allow Slack to interrupt you? Turn off all notifications except the unread messages count badge and check it when it overflows.<p>Easy as ABC.<p>I run like 6 different messaging platforms, but none is allowed to interrupt me. If you can&#x27;t restrain yourself from checking messages constantly, you have a problem not the medium.
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Hoasi大约 6 年前
&gt; Slack Is Not Where &#x27;Deep Work&#x27; Happens<p>Sure, but that&#x27;s not the point, it is not even where &quot;work&quot; happens. Slack can be useful as a communication tool. There is a time for work and a time for communication. Just as you don&#x27;t answer the phone when you want to do serious work. Likewise, meetings are a waste of time, except when meeting face to face is useful. Communication is super important. After all, without communication, there is no work. Tools designed to enhance communication impede it when used as surrogate management. If Slack must be open at all times, it turns into a distraction.
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mindcrime大约 6 年前
I&#x27;m not a fan of Slack in particular just because it&#x27;s a closed-source, proprietary, walled-garden. But that aside, while it is true that &quot;Chat &#x2F; IM apps are not where &#x27;deep work&#x27; happens&quot;, that doesn&#x27;t mean that chat &#x2F; IM isn&#x27;t valuable. You just have to recognize it for what it is, and figure out how to tap into the value that it represents.<p>If that means turning it all off at certain times to support &quot;deep work&quot; then so be it. The question, in my mind, is how to find the optimal balance between synchronous, interrupt-driven communication and asynchronous communication. I&#x27;m not sure anybody has figured out the perfect answer for that yet.
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beat大约 6 年前
It&#x27;s not just Slack. It&#x27;s our phones! Notifications are distraction engines.<p>At the beginning of March, I went cold turkey on most social media (I still allow myself HN and a guitar player&#x27;s forum), and completely cold turkey on using my phone for these things - I have to use an actual computer. I put Kindle where Facebook used to be on my phone, and always have a book on it that can be read in small bites for those &quot;OMG I AM BORED FOR TWO MINUTES&quot; moments, and I carry a Kindle Paperwhite with longer-form reading for lunchtime and such.<p>My brain feels amazingly different. I&#x27;m more aware and happier. I&#x27;m getting more work done. My stress levels are way down. My book-reading rate has at least tripled.<p>This article refers a lot to Cal Newport&#x27;s excellent <i>Deep Work</i>, but I wish it also referred to his more recent <i>Digital Minimalism</i>, which is full of useful advice for limiting the ways social media and instant messaging undermine our productivity and happiness.
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robbiep大约 6 年前
We have a remote team and have recently implemented a rule&#x2F;trial of no slack after 10am until 4pm - so everyone can organise, everyone has enough work to do during their 6 hrs to continue if the need to ask a question then have the afternoon to answer questions&#x2F;move forward on any blockers from their ‘time out’<p>Early days but seems to be improving ‘distractability’
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PaulHoule大约 6 年前
I worked at a startup where we were always having a hard time finding documents and conversations. Almost every other week we would try or consider adding another place to store documents as a solution for this problem.<p>I saw from the beginning that this made no sense at all, that adding a new sharing service could only make the problem worse but I could only slow this trend down.<p>A real solution would involve an intelligent aggregator that sucks it down from those sources and imposes some structure on it together with you.<p>For instance the python docs have everything you need to know about Python, Google and stack overflow are wrong at least half the time. So I build trails over the documents that get me to reference materials i need in 1 or 2 clicks.<p>Control of document sharing is also a big thing in Biz.<p>The star salesperson was trained as a lawyer. Ask him how to share a document and he will tell you to do it the same way my accountant does it. He doesn&#x27;t mind it when I show him something in Github because he knows familiarity with Github gets him far in credibility with everybody.<p>Elsewhere in the business people use Google Docs and also collaborate with the hugest businesses on Earth. People at those businesses might not believe Google Docs is secure and it is not good for the relationship when somebody shares a Google Doc in Google.
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king_magic大约 6 年前
Slack&#x2F;Teams&#x2F;etc. are the bane of my work existence. I will only open them when I absolutely need to. The distraction is too high and the utility is too low for it to be worth using.
jackpeterfletch大约 6 年前
When I read these kind of pieces I wonder if people know that just because your company has Slack, that doesn&#x27;t mean they expect you to read everything in it.<p>Company wide&#x2F;support channels, your basically at liberty to completely ignore these. Some people crack the odd joke in here, camaraderie in a team is nice, but don&#x27;t feel its compulsory. I mute them, though they&#x27;re are great places to be able to search!<p>The channel for your immediate team&#x2F;specific projects, your not obliged to monitor this but it&#x27;d probably be helpful for the team if you checked in twice a day or so, you might be able to guide or unblock a teammate with knowledge they don&#x27;t know you have.<p>And direct messages. Again, its up to your to triage these, if its unimportant just mark unread and come back later.<p>The important point of slack is that communication is open, which brings network effects, I cant count the number of times I&#x27;ve stumbled on information that&#x27;s been directly helpful to me. However, just like any other open information portal, most of it isn&#x27;t directed at you, so don&#x27;t worry about it.
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pgm8705大约 6 年前
I&#x27;m wondering if team size is what makes slack such a pain for many posters. Slack is great for my 8 person remote company. I keep notifications off for channels that aren&#x27;t directly related to my development responsibilities, but I value having access to them for review at the end of the day so I&#x27;m aware of what is happening elsewhere. If I need a long stretch of uninterrupted development time, I turn on Do Not Disturb and everyone knows not to override this unless there is an emergency.
sailfast大约 6 年前
&quot;Deep Work&quot; as outlined by Cal Newport was not collaborative at all. It was an individual deep dive on a specific topic, with deep thinking and a lot of time.<p>Of course Slack is not where Deep Work happens, more than the telephone is where Deep Work happens.<p>Now, is [Insert persistent group chat software] where meaningful work can happen as a team? Absolutely. Lots of things have gotten resolved, rubber ducked, fixed, etc in those channels especially for my remote teams.<p>But nobody expects to get &quot;Deep Work&quot; done there.
te_chris大约 6 年前
When I joined the startup I work at currently I had one key criteria: no Slack. We first tried Zulip, but the interface is a mess and everyone hated it. We&#x27;ve since switched to Twist and it is brilliant. The threaded model is genuinely useful for ongoing discussions, and then group chat for small messages. But the key effect is this: by being simple and utilitarian, people only use it for utility. No endless gif streams, no all day shit chat. It&#x27;s great.<p>Messaging is genuinely useful for a productive org, Slack doesn&#x27;t event come close to providing this. As far as a better interface for IRC goes, it&#x27;s good for that, the various industry groups I&#x27;m in are good, but for work? It&#x27;s a tire fire.
netwanderer3大约 6 年前
Slack only works for companies where the nature of their employees&#x27; work actually requires team communication that will benefit the organizations.<p>Like everything in life, it&#x27;s always a trade off. You may gain scores for team work but will sacrifice individual creativity. Deep creative tasks always require a full strength of focus and that state is only attainable once we allow our mind some time to completely &quot;dial in&quot;. You simply cannot switch from 0 to 100 and be in the zone within the span of just a few minutes.<p>When you are using Slack or any social media communication platforms, your brain must allocate cognitive resource to manage your ego because you do care about what other people think of your opinions. Since the pool of our cognitive resource is limited, we will have less remaining that can be dedicated to other real creative tasks.<p>On top of that, you now have a distraction source where you constantly have to switch attention to. This may condition your brain over time and cause it to lose the ability to &quot;dial in&quot;.<p>Some companies were eager to force employees into using these tools while it didn&#x27;t really provide any real tangible benefits, and may in fact even be destructive. Within a company only some departments should use it but some definitely shouldn&#x27;t. It&#x27;s the same reason why open office concept may work for certain organizations but not for all.
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bitwize大约 6 年前
It is a truth universally acknowledged among managerial types, that given enough collaboration, all work becomes shallow. To that end, the business will increase the number of collaborative tools and the expectation of their use, because deep work presents a problem. It is a risk incurred by the business. Creative effort by an individual is not auditable, there&#x27;s no paper trail. No actionable data -- data that would allow the business to verify each step of the process and estimate time and cost to completion -- is produced other than the creative output itself. The only person qualified to assess whether deep creative work by an individual is on track, on time, and under budget is the individual themself and they cannot be trusted! &quot;Beware the guy in a room.&quot;<p>So the deep parts of the work are now the responsibility of the team, and in order to do that, the team needs to stay in constant communication. Yes, it&#x27;s slower and less efficient, but the business values reliability and accountability at the expense of some efficiency.<p>This is why you don&#x27;t get an office or even a desk -- you get about one linear meter of bench on which to set up your MacBook. This is why availability on Slack is paramount. This is why you&#x27;re responsible for attending standup, planning, retro, grooming, Three Amigos, and whatever parking-lot meetings your PM has called throughout the week in addition to all the work you&#x27;ve committed to this sprint. This is why &quot;sprints&quot; in the first place.<p>If you work for corporate, odds are you&#x27;ve signed up to join a hivemind, with all that entails.
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aloukissas大约 6 年前
Coincidentally, I was just listening a podcast episode with the creator of Level (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;level.app&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;level.app&#x2F;</a>), which was built to fix exactly all these issues mentioned in the article. I agree 100% with this - the culture of ASAP and the FOMO that&#x27;s created if you&#x27;re not always on Slack, prevents one from doing deep, meaningful work. I&#x27;m really looking forward to trying out Level.
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backpackway大约 6 年前
Guess I get downvoted to hell but I won&#x27;t care and share my thoughts:<p>Slack is for most employees a way to socialize, to get connected, to be not alone because employees are actual lonesome creatures looking for community, looking for something to belong to. Heck, companies are for employees the same. They want to to find friends, to get laid, to network because they can&#x27;t outside of their free-lunch-corp. If they had to work in the basement in a shitty 3-people-firm, alone, they would have run away the first day.<p>I haven&#x27;t been employed for a long, long time, so my view on employees is quite negative and opinionated: employees except the sales ones are in terms of social interactions, networking, finding friends compared to non-employees way underdeveloped (to use a polite term). Don&#x27;t confuse hanging around with peers in a company being social. Most wouldn&#x27;t be able to find close peers outside of their company and comfort zone.<p>Hence, they need Slack so urgently, so they can chat, plan boring get-togethers and like each others messages with crappy emojis.
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geekamongus大约 6 年前
I have to minimize Slack throughout the day in order to get work done, and I try to only pay attention to it when I hear the alert noise when someone @&#x27;s me, which unfortunately I mis-hear all the time.<p>My brain thinks it hears that alert noise beneath the music I have playing, or if I go to the other room it thinks it hears it from afar, so I run back to my desk to see if someone is messaging me.<p>I hate that I have been conditioned this way, but I don&#x27;t foresee it changing in my workplace any time soon. Some people I work with are on Slack <i>all</i> day chatting, and I really question if they are ever doing anything else.
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rob74大约 6 年前
&quot;you could try the monastic approach, ditching the city for a gig as a caretaker at an isolated hotel&quot; - you can read &quot;The Shining&quot; to see how that may turn out...
swozey大约 6 年前
Slack makes me miss Discord. Slack has taken a hard stance on how company culture should dictate it&#x27;s use and doesn&#x27;t give you the options to customize it away from their own viewpoint at all. I use Slack on a massive 40k person server (and probably 10 other servers) and it&#x27;s absolutely terrible in this environment, as a non-admin you have no self support mechanisms (blocking DMs, muting users, etc). I really wish FOSS projects would stop using Slack, if the community grows to be large it&#x27;s untenable and requires a ton of moderation time. I don&#x27;t really want to go back to IRC but Slack isn&#x27;t a good solution for them. There are so many options and features they could add that could be controlled by admins but they refuse to add them.<p>(<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;slackhq&#x2F;status&#x2F;767806840524705792?lang=en" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;slackhq&#x2F;status&#x2F;767806840524705792?lang=e...</a>)<p>* You can sort channels and even put them into folders (Engineering, HR) * You can choose who to accept DMs from * You can block&#x2F;mute users<p>There&#x27;s probably a ton of other things I&#x27;m not aware of. I rarely use Discord, but every time that I do I leave wishing companies I worked at used that instead.
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village-idiot大约 6 年前
The tragedy of slack is that it was supposed to save us from email. The irony is that email itself was never the problem, as always it was people &amp; culture.
EGreg大约 6 年前
I will go further. None of the most popular top tools are promoting the best mode of whatever they are doing. And most of it has to do with realtime and notifications being abused in the interest of profit by centralized corporations that want to lock people into their platform and get them to &quot;engage&quot; with it.<p>Slack for work - not the best for actually writing useful messages, more like &lt;blah&gt;&lt;return&gt; &lt;blah&gt;&lt;return&gt; and working people see ping ping ping, go back in and respond, and on it goes.<p>Twitter for news - not the best for actually having productive discussions, more like &lt;shout&gt;&lt;announce&gt;&lt;snipe&gt;&lt;war&gt; and most people see ping ping ping, and go back in and like&#x2F;retweet to their 5 followers.<p>Facebook for social - not the best for actually getting together (i.e. social life), more like &lt;post cat video&gt;&lt;post wedding photo&gt;&lt;post political meme&gt;&lt;post outrage&gt; and lonely people sit at home and see ping ping ping, and go back in and respond, and on it goes.<p>By now many of you know that I have spent the last 7 years working on a solution. The problem is that in order to build anything people will want to use, you need to spend at least half a million dollars on a realtime platform that can do stuff. If you want to see the problems and solutions, check out the videos on these pages:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qbix.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qbix.com</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qbix.com&#x2F;platform" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qbix.com&#x2F;platform</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qbix.com&#x2F;blog" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;qbix.com&#x2F;blog</a> (latest post)
Funes-大约 6 年前
The mental and logistical acrobatics being proposed by users on this comment section only shows one thing about Slack (and any other app that is built on the optimization of an &quot;engagement&quot; metric): If you have to go <i>that</i> far to prevent something from easily taking all your attention and time, wouldn&#x27;t you argue that it is, in fact, its design which is flawed, and not its users?
exachtly大约 6 年前
This article seems to be unaware that there are many jobs which exist solely for doing shallow work. I&#x27;d say for most &quot;knowledge work&quot; or &quot;white collar&quot; jobs shallow work is the point. A job that demands deep work consistently is pretty rare (see: Bullshit Jobs, David Graeber). In that respect, Slack is a perfect fit for most employees.
atoav大约 6 年前
I like email more than Slack for asynchrounous communication, Signal more than Slack for one-on-one or small group and IRC better than Slack for bigger groups or topic based conversations.<p>I tried to like it. I am a young person for whom IRC and Email seem very oldfashioned. But hey, it works and doesn&#x27;t get me distracted.
dredmorbius大约 6 年前
The only thing that&#x27;s made large discussion platforms useful to me is ruthless blocking of noise. As one of my more popular G+ posts[1] said; &quot;This One Trick Will Revolutionize Your Use of Social Media: Block fuckwits.&quot;[2]<p>The problem with entepriise tools, both technical capabilities and organisational contexts, is that this is often neither supported nor acceptable.<p>Everyone does not have to have full interrupt access to everyone else.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20190330111120&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;plus.google.com&#x2F;104092656004159577193&#x2F;posts&#x2F;drLZV8sm7Tq" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20190330111120&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;plus.goog...</a><p>________________________________<p>Notes:<p>1. Thank you, Internet Archive.<p>2. Based on my Google Data Takeout, about 3,000 blocked profiles. I&#x27;ll miss those.
osmyn大约 6 年前
This is a big reason behind why I created <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ourtimetothink.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ourtimetothink.com</a> - a tool for teams on Slack to manage their DND status for scheduled blocks of time each day so they can get some deep work done
skc大约 6 年前
The only time I ever see positive views on Slack here is when Microsoft Teams is brought up :D
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m0zg大约 6 年前
Slack&#x27;s design encourages water-cooler back and forth ad nauseam. One of my clients uses it, and because I now track nearly all my working time, I know exactly how much money they waste because I&#x27;m on slack. In fact they waste even more than I charge them, because there are usually at least 2 more people bullshitting on slack pretty much continuously. Something that would be solved in 5 minutes through email or chat turns into a 30-40 minute clusterfuck and nothing gets solved.
peter_d_sherman大约 6 年前
Fascinating article and discussion.<p>I&#x27;m not sure I completely agree with the article&#x27;s premise, but what&#x27;s important here is the debate, rather than the article&#x27;s premise or conclusions.<p>This discussion would be broadened by the question: &quot;With respect to the tools that a company mandates you use (and this includes software, like Slack) -- do those tools control you, or do you control them, and do they make you more productive or less productive, and in what scenarios?&quot;<p>Maybe that&#x27;s a separate discussion however...
jayjaybinks大约 6 年前
This is exactly why we switched to Twist. Slack is fun but toxic. Working in an open office is bad enough but at least you can use noise canceling headphones. No such remedy for Slack.
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matchbok大约 6 年前
Experiment for slack lovers: Start talking about something in a channel with ~20 people. Have another use try to start another conversation in the same channel. This is a common occurrence. The other users either have to spam the channel or wait until <i>your</i> topic is complete, which could never be!<p>What happens? Garbage. Chat is not how work gets done. Or how knowledge is transferred and, most importantly, retained.
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gamma3大约 6 年前
I close Slack and focus on coding. I take short breaks from coding every 1-2 hours, and check Slack.<p>Replying to someone 2 hours later has never been an issue.<p>If it&#x27;s urgent, people drop by my desk.<p>Definitely don&#x27;t have slack on my phone, and when Slack is closed, I don&#x27;t get any kind of notifications.<p>Being able to focus is important. In the end it matters I deliver on the project, not that I reply to every question immediately.
dyeje大约 6 年前
I like Nuclino slot but I don&#x27;t think it replaces Slack very well. At the end of the day you need a synchronous ping.
woliveirajr大约 6 年前
I went on to favorite this one and saw that my last time favorite was this:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12419649" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12419649</a><p>I think it tells me something about a persistent problem, curiosity or struggle.
swagatkonchada大约 6 年前
how about no notifications for messages unless the sender specifically says &quot;send notification&quot;?
zitterbewegung大约 6 年前
Slack is not a good product fit for every company . To be honest I think it can work for organizations under 20 people because startups were targeted first . If you want something that can scale then use discord or email&#x2F;IM etc..
anotheryou大约 6 年前
How about permanent &quot;Do not disturb&quot;?<p>People can still override it if they have to and you can catch up with all the static whenever it suits you.
vernie大约 6 年前
I love it when people use that terrible &quot;backtrack&quot; comic.
guaka大约 6 年前
Neither is Hacker News.
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icedchai大约 6 年前
Slack is fine if you turn off essentially all notifications. The same is true of email.<p>Any sort of notification &#x2F; alert is disruptive to deep (real) work. If it&#x27;s urgent, send me a text. Or, god forbid, a phone call.
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athenot大约 6 年前
<i>Disclaimer: I work for Webex Teams, another collab tool.</i><p>I think a lot of this depends a lot more on the expectations of the whole group. This needs to be defined at an org level and well understood by everyone. It&#x27;s not so much the tool as how it&#x27;s used.<p>There is now a continuum of interactions:<p>- FYIs that are put out in a topical chat. You get to those when you have a moment, when you go through your unread rooms to catch up. Same for topics that you are only peripherally following. Time is not of the essence there. Zero interruption here and no expectation for you to be always listening.<p>- Topical chats where you are @-mentionned. This is where a conversation that you&#x27;re not actively following suddenly took a turn where your input is sollicited. But since you see the topic of the room, you are in control about whether it&#x27;s worth an interruption. The group&#x27;s expectation is that the person that was mentionned will join the conversation <i>IF</i> they are not in the middle of something (assuming the topic is not alarmist).<p>- New rooms that got created around a topic or you getting added to an existing room. Basically it&#x27;s similar to the above, where you&#x27;re getting dragged into a conversation.<p>- 1:1 chats with specific requests. Again, it depends who it&#x27;s from, you triage based on origin. But the expectation is already managed at our group level.<p>In all these modes, you can chose to accept the interruption or defer it. The deeper your work, the more likely you can defer it. We can operate like this because we have the nuclear option we can always use when it&#x27;s actually needed: PagerDuty. This brings a few benefits: the person paging a team or another individual is aware that they are putting a burden of urgency and there&#x27;s a recorded audit log of that page. So it&#x27;s not used lightly.<p>Once you&#x27;ve accepted the interruption though, you still get to control its modality.<p>- Very often, a &quot;hey, quick question&quot; can turn into something WAY larger than the requester could imagine. That&#x27;s when we point them to creating a Jira ticket, effectively punting a synchronous interruption into an asynchronous unit of work. Or you can tell the requester to schedule a meeting to work more deeply on that. (Related topic: ALWAYS have at least one day where it is forbidden to schedule meetings, accros the whole org.)<p>- If the request is about an urgent matter, we just do an instant video meeting within Webex Teams. That converts long drawn out chats into quick visual meetings where the nuances are better expressed. Because in a long chat, the mind is already interrupted, so having to wait for typing and confirming nuance ends up taking a lot of time.
justaaron大约 6 年前
&quot;captain obvious called&quot;
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