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Notre-Dame cathedral: Firefighters tackle blaze in Paris

989 点作者 kragniz大约 6 年前

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kweks大约 6 年前
I had the privilege of undertaking the first (and now the last..) study on the spire of Notre Dame since 1933.<p>The restoration works that were under place are a result in part of our recommended actions.<p>The spire was incredible. It was one oak trunk, connected with a &quot;Scarf Joint&quot;, or &quot;Jupitre&quot; in French (Bolt-of-lightning joint)<p>There were the names of the last guys to inspect it in the 1930s, engraved at the top. There was a french ww2 bullet embedded in the spire, presumably shot at a germany sniper who was in the spire...<p>Everything in the roof was antique wood. Anyone that went into the roof was paranoid of fire.<p>It&#x27;s a very, very sad day.<p>As a celebration, I&#x27;m throwing up some photos that we&#x27;d never published from our study.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;gallery&#x2F;9k9I8Y0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;gallery&#x2F;9k9I8Y0</a>
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JshWright大约 6 年前
For those asking about why there isn&#x27;t visible water being sprayed on the fire... There&#x27;s no point. Any firefighting efforts are focused on preventing the spread of the fire to other structures (potentially other parts of the same structure)<p>As a rule of thumb, the water flow necessary to extinguish a burning structure is the volume of the structure (in feet) divided by 100. The resulting number is (in rough numbers) the amount of water you need, in gallons per minute. For a fire this size, you&#x27;re looking at tens of thousands of gallons of water per minute. It&#x27;s just not possible.
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timothevs大约 6 年前
Today, we are all French. As a student of European History, I want to curl up and cry. I proposed to my beautiful wife of 11 years beneath the spire of Notre Dame. We fell in love walking along the bouquinistes. There is a terrible empty feeling in my heart this afternoon. It is like losing a part of myself this day.<p>Yes, I know the Notre Dame will be built again. But that might not happen till after I am long gone.
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css大约 6 年前
Spire collapsed: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;patrickgaley&#x2F;status&#x2F;1117848909877895171" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;patrickgaley&#x2F;status&#x2F;1117848909877895171</a>
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berberous大约 6 年前
Very sad. While a different cathedral, it reminded me of Orson Welles&#x27; soliloquy in &quot;F for Fake&quot; on Chartres (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=ksmjh8LL2zA" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=ksmjh8LL2zA</a>):<p>“And this has been standing here for centuries. The premier work of man perhaps in the whole Western world, and it’s without a signature: Chartres. A celebration to God’s glory and to the dignity of man. All that’s left, most artists seem to feel these days, is man. Naked, poor, forked radish. There aren’t any celebrations. Ours, the scientists keep telling us, is a universe which is disposable. You know, it might be just this one anonymous glory of all things, this rich stone forest, this epic chant, this gaiety, this grand, choiring shout of affirmation, which we choose when all our cities are dust, to stand intact, to mark where we have been, to testify to what we had it in us to accomplish.<p>Our works in stone, in paint, in print, are spared, some of them for a few decades or a millennium or two, but everything must finally fall in war or wear away into the ultimate and universal ash. The triumphs and the frauds, the treasures and the fakes. A fact of life. We’re going to die. ‘Be of good heart,’ cry the dead artists out of the living past. Our songs will all be silenced — but what of it? Go on singing. Maybe a man’s name doesn’t matter all that much.”
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sawjet大约 6 年前
Cathedrals like the Notre Dame were the moonshots of their time, only able to be built by immense societal consensus. It&#x27;s unlikely with todays demographics shifts that we will ever witness a project as monumental as these were 1000 years ago. What a shame.
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cc_nixon大约 6 年前
The saddest thing will be losing the stained glass windows. Those have been somehow preserved for centuries but are going to get severely damaged here.
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geff82大约 6 年前
I lived in Paris as a child and have often been at Notre Dame. I still feel heavily connected to France. Seeing this precious diamond burn is like having my own house burning. What a cultural tragedy.
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danso大约 6 年前
Interesting (but not surprising) to see this at the top of HN. I wonder if programmers feel even more existential dread about this compared to the average person — Notre Dame is a monument that seems eternal compared to the web apps we build.<p>edit: &quot;compared to the average person&quot;
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benl大约 6 年前
The Crown of Thorns is kept in the treasury at Notre Dame and was due to be displayed all day this Friday for Good Friday. How it ended up there is an interesting tour of European history in itself. Let&#x27;s hope that it has been saved.
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ineedasername大约 6 年前
This will probably be an unpopular opinion, so let me first start by saying I certainly mourn the loss of history, the loss of a beautiful structure, and that which was inside.<p>However, as I watched it burn, the thought uppermost to my mind was the nearly 200 years it took to build, and therefore 200 years worth of sucking money and resources from the local (and probably some non-local) populace. And this during a period of history when many lived in abject poverty. How much more might have been added to society if those resources had been used to better effect?<p>It reminds me of how, even in modern times, the Catholic church has done much the same. My father grew up in the north eastern US in a poor urban area. His family was dirt poor and struggled to get 3 basic meals a day. Yet the local parish pressured, guilted, shamed, and instilled fear in the parishioners to get them to give 10% of their income to the church.<p>So yes, I mourn Notre Dame, but I can&#x27;t separate it in my head from the financial predations of the church on its followers.
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anigbrowl大约 6 年前
A refresher on the scope and methods of laser-scanning Notre Dame. Professor Andrew Tallon, who steered this project, died last November but I think it&#x27;s safe to say he will live on through his work. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.nationalgeographic.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;06&#x2F;150622-andrew-tallon-notre-dame-cathedral-laser-scan-art-history-medieval-gothic&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.nationalgeographic.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;06&#x2F;150622-andrew-ta...</a><p>Locals report the damage may not have been as severe as feared. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;johannesviii.tumblr.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;184208321259&#x2F;jonphaedrus-notre-dame-is-burning-this-is-ok" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;johannesviii.tumblr.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;184208321259&#x2F;jonphaedrus...</a><p>First photographs from inside the building are encouraging: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;becket&#x2F;status&#x2F;1117919627642900480" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;becket&#x2F;status&#x2F;1117919627642900480</a>
Datenstrom大约 6 年前
I hope someone did a 3D scan of the entire structure. Seems likely someone would have.
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dmitryminkovsky大约 6 年前
Maybe it&#x27;ll be better than we think. I&#x27;ve been to the Cathedral in Köln [0]. Maybe Notre Dame is not completely lost.<p>[0]: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;worldwartwo.filminspector.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;07&#x2F;shootout-at-cologne-cathedral.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;worldwartwo.filminspector.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;07&#x2F;shootout-at-col...</a>
marricks大约 6 年前
To preempt the conspiracy theorists showing up...<p>&gt; Firefighters were rushing to try to contain a fire that has broken out at the cathedral, which police said began accidentally and was linked to building work at the site.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2019&#x2F;apr&#x2F;15&#x2F;notre-dame-fire-paris-france-cathedral" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2019&#x2F;apr&#x2F;15&#x2F;notre-dame-fir...</a>
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throwaway123032大约 6 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pscp.tv&#x2F;w&#x2F;1yNGavoByLgJj" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pscp.tv&#x2F;w&#x2F;1yNGavoByLgJj</a> that video is heartbreaking, and I have seen some image that the entire roof is gone.....fuck :(
krisrm大约 6 年前
What a loss. Absolutely heartbreaking. I spend a good deal of my time in a (far far less beautiful) cathedral, and I can&#x27;t imagine what it would feel like to lose it, and this is the Notre Dame.
vonnik大约 6 年前
About 11 years ago, I climbed to the top of the spire of Notre Dame. It was not a place open to the public. (Although this is true, I find my own story hard to believe, so I will understand if there is skepticism.)<p>We were drunk and it was dark and late. We hopped the iron fence in the back, and scaled the southern wall that runs along the nave, where the flying buttresses are.<p>To get to the top, you climbed the walls and roof outside the building until you reached the base of the spire, and then you climbed inside the spire up several stories linked by rough wooden ladders, and then you had to get out and climb outside again, on a series of metal hooks, to get to the top where you could touch a metal globe and cross.<p>There was very little security (just one trap door inside the spire that you had to climb through, where you had to make sure breaking an electrical current didn&#x27;t set off an alarm).<p>It was all very old, obviously, and old in a way of places where no one ever goes. Little used, and therefore neglected. Was the wiring on the trapdoor well insulated? I doubt it.<p>There was a small group of climbers in Paris who knew about this. Maybe a couple dozen people. One of them would occasionally lead a small group of friends: free climbing to the top of one segment of the wall, and then letting down a rope to help up those behind.<p>Notre Dame is at the center of Paris. There is a bronze marker in front of the church called &quot;kilometre zero,&quot; from which all distances along French national routes are measured. From the top of the spire, the city fanned out like petals around a pistil. Paris was made to be seen from that one point, where no one ever went except a few climbers and pigeons, and maybe an adventurous priest.<p>The climber who took us up to near the top of the spire lay himself down on a rafter in its hollow interior, above the void, and fell asleep. Like I said, we were drunk, and it was all very dumb and dangerous.<p>When we came back down, about a foot before the last person touched the ground again, his rope broke. He picked it up, stared at it for a second, murmured &quot;C&#x27;est mort&quot;, and threw it away.
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bhandziuk大约 6 年前
Can fire cause significant structural damage to a stone building like that?
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theclaw大约 6 年前
Why did this vanish from the front page?
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NeoBasilisk大约 6 年前
imagine being the guy that accidentally burned down the Notre Dame Cathedral in 2019
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berbec大约 6 年前
Here&#x27;s a firefighter on twitter describing the difficulties involved with fighting a fire of this type:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;berb.ec&#x2F;ndfire" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;berb.ec&#x2F;ndfire</a>
nathanlee大约 6 年前
Don&#x27;t mean to be insensitive to the fire but I&#x27;m just glad there&#x27;s no reported human injuries. Things are just things. Even if they are artifacts that represent more.
odyssey7大约 6 年前
I might be in the bargaining stage of loss - but I have to think that the architects and engineers who worked on Notre-Dame in the 12th and 13th centuries designed it to be gutted by fire in a way that it could be rebuilt.<p>My undergrad&#x27;s main building - definitely nothing comparable to this cathedral, but from a time where fire fighting wasn&#x27;t that great - went through this three times, and was always restored. It seems like this happened a lot, and was something builders considered.
wespiser_2018大约 6 年前
Very tragic, and events like this make me wish I decided to to travel more! For context, we have burnt down and rebuilt cathedrals before, it just takes a generation! The Reims Cathedral, which is a little bit smaller, was shelled in WWI, and it wasn&#x27;t until 1938 until it was considered &#x27;fixed. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Reims_Cathedral" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Reims_Cathedral</a>
yters大约 6 年前
At the beginning of holy week too...
nine_k大约 6 年前
«I know this doesn&#x27;t help, but we have exquisite 3D laser maps of every detail of Notre Dame, thanks to the incredible work of @Vassar art historian Andrew Tallon. Prof Tallon passed away last November, but his work will be absolutely crucial»<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;grouchybagels&#x2F;status&#x2F;1117852841530368000?s=21" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;grouchybagels&#x2F;status&#x2F;1117852841530368000...</a>
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qubitcoder大约 6 年前
Live video from Reuters here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.tv&#x2F;l&#x2F;PFyC" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reuters.tv&#x2F;l&#x2F;PFyC</a>
bjourne大约 6 年前
Very very sad news. Invaluable piece of history.
cwkoss大约 6 年前
Yikes. I wonder what was the nature of the work being performed. Perhaps they were working with volatile solvents?
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bArray大约 6 年前
&gt; So horrible to watch the massive fire at Notre Dame<p>&gt; Cathedral in Paris. Perhaps flying water tankers could be<p>&gt; used to put it out. Must act quickly!<p>From what I understand about fires, a lot of damage also comes from the act of putting them out. If it doesn&#x27;t have fire damage it will probably have water damage. Also, I imagine the stone may not appreciate rapid cooling.<p>&gt; The Paris prosecutor&#x27;s office said it has opened an<p>&gt; inquiry into the incident.<p>[Pure speculation]: One of the first thoughts that came to mind is that this is deliberate. Specifically regarding the Yellow Vests protests that are still very much ongoing, despite reduced media attention [1]. Perhaps this was in anticipation of the debate results [2].<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2019-04-13&#x2F;yellow-vest-protests-continue-ahead-of-macron-debate-results" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2019-04-13&#x2F;yellow-ve...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;europe&#x2F;2019&#x2F;04&#x2F;13&#x2F;emmanuel-macron-ends-his-great-national-debate" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.economist.com&#x2F;europe&#x2F;2019&#x2F;04&#x2F;13&#x2F;emmanuel-macron-...</a>
franciscop大约 6 年前
I&#x27;d recommend following the events live on Twitter: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;search?q=%23notredame" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;search?q=%23notredame</a><p>Though the fire seems quite intense, not sure how much will be preserved.
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anon491throw大约 6 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2019&#x2F;apr&#x2F;15&#x2F;notre-dame-fire-paris-france-cathedral#img-1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2019&#x2F;apr&#x2F;15&#x2F;notre-dame-fir...</a>
duxup大约 6 年前
It seems pretty widespread:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;image.cnbcfm.com&#x2F;api&#x2F;v1&#x2F;image&#x2F;105852910-1555350291548gettyimages-1137422977.jpeg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;image.cnbcfm.com&#x2F;api&#x2F;v1&#x2F;image&#x2F;105852910-155535029154...</a>
cdfky大约 6 年前
If it burns down perhaps a functional skyscraper should be built in it&#x27;s place. It would be a testament to a better, modernist future that we could build if we disregard all prior historical biases people all over the world still have
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Causality1大约 6 年前
Notre Dame could have burned down at any point in the last seven hundred years. The only bright point about this tragedy is that it happened after the invention of color high resolution photography and videography.
scop大约 6 年前
Lord have mercy
scop大约 6 年前
Kyrie eleison!
gdubs大约 6 年前
I was lucky to visit back in 2009. It’s so much more intimate in real life than I would have expected. Tragic to see it go up in flames. Heart goes out to Paris.
gigatexal大约 6 年前
This is terrible. I’ve been to the cathedral. France is awesome. The Louvre was awesome. To see Notre Dame in flames is just sad.
aaomidi大约 6 年前
Curious, for situations like this what happens if we airdrop a ton of small balls of dry ice? Like a hailstorm of dry ice?
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jpfed大约 6 年前
I wonder if the Photosynth models of Notre Dame still exist, or if they could be of any help in rebuilding.
ggm大约 6 年前
York minster fire root cause was electric wiring renovations
StephenAmar大约 6 年前
Quelle catastrophe
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mongol大约 6 年前
Terrible. So sad.
setquk大约 6 年前
That’s terrible. I hope nobody is hurt
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interlocutor大约 6 年前
What is the building made of? Sand, gravel, stone, and cement are fairly inert. It must be made of some other flammable material.
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tatiner大约 6 年前
Sprinkler system installed?
tatiner大约 6 年前
Why no sprinkler system?
RichardCA大约 6 年前
This was shown on PBS in the 80&#x27;s, and it still holds up. As a nerdy kid, I remember being captivated by the animated segments.<p>TL;DR - The danger of fire has always been an issue in the design and construction of these cathedrals.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=MZpOd2pHiI0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=MZpOd2pHiI0</a>
nkkollaw大约 6 年前
This is horrible. I wonder what on the scaffold started the fire. Even a cigarette could have done this..?
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mudil大约 6 年前
Unprecedented tragedy. It is also a tragedy of French people who have become rooted in the society that is far far from perfect. It&#x27;s a society that is entrenched in special interests, arbitrary rules, bogus leaders, and other numerous ills, such as anti-Semitism and general snobbery. They pretend that France is sophisticated, and yet they allow something like that to happen. Excuse me, but Dutch would do better job saving Amsterdam&#x27;s red light district.
pastor_elm大约 6 年前
doesn&#x27;t look like they have any capacity for even fighting it. where are the planes loaded with water? firetrucks with ladders?
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bennettfeely大约 6 年前
Too early to say if it is related but a dozen or more Catholic Churches across France have been desecrated, vandalized, or set on fire since February of this year.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;aleteia.org&#x2F;2019&#x2F;02&#x2F;16&#x2F;string-of-attacks-on-french-churches-includes-desecration-of-eucharist&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;aleteia.org&#x2F;2019&#x2F;02&#x2F;16&#x2F;string-of-attacks-on-french-c...</a>
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