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Refused U.S. visa eight times, Zoom CEO is now a billionaire

420 点作者 petethomas大约 6 年前

32 条评论

mattnewport大约 6 年前
Zoom is interesting. They don&#x27;t really seem to have done anything particularly novel, they just made a product that works better than the competition. We use Zoom heavily on our fully remote team because it works better than free alternatives like Skype and paid alternatives that we&#x27;re already paying for like Slack.<p>It&#x27;s quite refreshing to see a tech company succeed by just making a better product and expecting that people will be willing to pay for it. They were able to grow so quickly in part because it was relatively easy for people to switch from other video conferencing solutions however. I&#x27;m not sure they will be able to build much competitive advantage other than just continuing to be a better product though. If Slack worked just as well we&#x27;d happily use it and stop paying for an additional service.
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Ayesh大约 6 年前
I&#x27;m nobody compared to the person on the story, but I was refused a US visa that I needed to speak at a tech conference.<p>The US visa system needs to get out there and see what people are doing. I&#x27;m a full-time freelancer and I am 27. The officer said that I don&#x27;t have ties to my home country and that I&#x27;m still young...<p>Damn right I am! I traveled to over 30coubtries so far and had spoken at various tech conferences. There is a lot of travel history on the passport. Unless you got to this outdated image of a person that&#x27;s risk-free, you won&#x27;t make it to US. It doesn&#x27;t matter if your talk is selected among 700 others, you just won&#x27;t make it. Bye.
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drfuchs大约 6 年前
Similarly, Adi Shamir, bazillionaire founder of RSA (he’s the “S”), couldn’t get a visa this year to attend the RSA conference.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnet.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;adi-shamir-couldnt-get-us-visa-to-attend-rsa-conference-named-for-him&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnet.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;adi-shamir-couldnt-get-us-visa-to-...</a>
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thetechlead大约 6 年前
Good for him. However, the wind has already turned eastward. Given the insanity in US immigration policy and xenophobia among the public, talents are going back to their original countries in flocks. Check out top 20 most valuable startups in the world - used to be 100% American and now half[ref] are foreign owned.<p>edit ref: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_unicorn_startup_companies" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_unicorn_startup_compan...</a>
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weiming大约 6 年前
The story of being denied a visa appears to be from years&#x2F;decades ago. He attended Stanford Business School around 2006. He also worked at Cisco and WebEx for 10+ years. Heck, Zoom headquarters are in California. Way to spin an article about a great achievement, Bloomberg.
nixgeek大约 6 年前
Good for him. Nice to hear about success stories. Zoom is excellent. Markedly better than WebEx, in my experience.
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ademup大约 6 年前
Google&#x27;s constant shifting finally lead us to abandon it in favor of Zoom. We used Google Hangouts, then Meet for 3 years. Finally switched to Zoom and happy. It always seems to be 5% better (our marketing guy always used it for external meetings).
bayesian_horse大约 6 年前
Selecting immigrants doesn&#x27;t work, in my opinion.<p>Regardless of the selection criteria, any screening will deter &quot;desirable&quot; people. It will not deter those who choose to circumvent that process, especially those who immigrate &quot;illegaly&quot; or &quot;irregularly&quot;, like refugees in Europe, who are not eligible for asylum, but can&#x27;t be deported for all sorts of perfectly valid reasons.<p>In the end, and we see this all over the world, such screening leads to adverse effects even considering the intended screening criteria.
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ncmncm大约 6 年前
&quot;an American billionaire&quot;.<p>Would be interesting to learn why he was denied eight times, or granted one on the ninth try.
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peteretep大约 6 年前
&gt; The U.S. is the favored country<p>EU needs to up its game on this. It&#x27;s a travesty we haven&#x27;t managed to lure these people to the EU reliably yet.
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soniman大约 6 年前
&quot;America succeeded in spite of Americans&quot; - Immigrants
ceejayoz大约 6 年前
Well done. Zoom&#x27;s the only video conferencing app I&#x27;ve come across that has been reliably pleasant to use.
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sumanthvepa大约 6 年前
I&#x27;m curious, why would a Chinese citizen feel compelled to apply for a Visa 8 times, to start a business? Surely it is far easier and faster for a Chinese citizen to start a company in China? I would imagine that capital would be almost as easily available, as would labor. As for market access, surely just opening branch office in Silicon Valley would have served the purpose? If high quality American engineers, were needed, that too could be achieved by opening a branch office. Why go to all the trouble of emigrating from China? Am I missing significant context here, was the visa granted the 8th time an investor visa?
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Nition大约 6 年前
As someone who owns a Zoom H2 recorder this thread was initially confusing. Apparently there are two major companies called Zoom.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Zoom_Video_Communications" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Zoom_Video_Communications</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Zoom_Corporation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Zoom_Corporation</a>
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jquery大约 6 年前
Zoom deserves the huge pop for adding the &quot;touch up face&quot; feature to the desktop app. I can look fresh for meetings even if I&#x27;m running haggard from taking care of an infant. :)<p>Seriously though, that&#x27;s one of those small features that shows real love and care was put in the product. I was skeptical of Zoom when I switched to it but it quickly became my favorite video conferencing software by a mile.
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DyslexicAtheist大约 6 年前
the problem with proprietary tools like Zoom (and Skype, hell even Slack) is that people are forced to use them when working for remote companies. At least if they want to keep that job. But ofc you&#x27;re still using your own hardware to run this shit on to do your job. I suppose this is better than the atrocious idea of using WhatsApp as team collaboration tool on your personal phone.
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sdfsdfsdfsdf3大约 6 年前
appear.in, does what it says on the tin, no fucking about. Played about with zoom but it was a multi-minute ballache of signup steps and a screen sharing plugin the doesn&#x27;t work properly on i3wm, I can&#x27;t even begin to imagine the others if Zoom was mean&#x27;t to be straight forward.
raylangivens大约 6 年前
Alternate opinion, I work at Microsoft as an Engineer. We (obviously) use Teams for meetings. For one thing, it integrates well with the MS&#x2F;Office ecosystem (sharing videos is easier etc). But the video conferencing system is really poor. Meetings sometime start with one party not able to hear properly, the other one. Usually, we spend the first 5 minutes saying &quot;Am I audible?&quot;, &quot;Can you hear me?&quot; and their variants with that a feeling of deja-vu hits me. Usually, there aren&#x27;t issues once the meeting starts (not with the software at-least). But the starting a meeting is certainly painful. SfB is a whole different ball of wax.<p>I have never used Zoom but I understand why someone would be willing to pay for a video-conferencing solution that works. Think about your hundreds of thousands of employees losing 5-10 meetings of all their meetings, everyday. That is the problem Zoom must be solving.
phamilton大约 6 年前
Best zoom feature is the magic screen share. Just being in the physical room I can hit share screen and it will find the right meeting. I think it uses inaudible sound to identify them right room.
agapon大约 6 年前
A bit offtopic: what happened to gotomeeting? I recall that 10 years it was a go-to software for conference calls &#x2F; distributed meetings &#x2F; etc. Now it&#x27;s mostly zoom.
nimbius大约 6 年前
Maybe its just the tone of the headline but it seems antiquated. Are we implying billionaires can only come from america? Or if america blesses their presence?
fooker大约 6 年前
I could not participate in an internship at Google a few years ago because my US Visa was refused, seemingly because the consulate clerk was having a bad day.
philshem大约 6 年前
I always though Zoom came standard on Macs, and that is was made by Apple. It works that well.<p>Turns out my wife had installed it before she gave me her MacBook.
ausjke大约 6 年前
what about polycom? the one used to have more markshare before Cisco purchases its major competitor Tanderberg, it seems zoom does not build its own hardware, the legacy players like polycom&#x2F;tanderberg(cisco) still do, maybe it&#x27;s the time to use off-the-shelf hardware with zoom software these days.
samirillian大约 6 年前
Ay we got enough billionaires here already
actuator大约 6 年前
Zoom&#x27;s stock jumped around 81% on debut. They seem to have left a lot of money on the table.
yosito大约 6 年前
God forbid we let freeloaders like this into our country!<p>&#x2F;s
presty大约 6 年前
it&#x27;s ironic that 8 is the chinese number for luck
victor106大约 6 年前
Anyone knows an open source alternative to zoom that is good.
bootcat大约 6 年前
Respects !
NTDF9大约 6 年前
That was back when US immigration and state departments were sane.<p>Imagine applying and going through those hassles today.
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evgeniysharapov大约 6 年前
Being contrarian, I would say, that he should be thankful to US immigration authorities. If they issues a visa first time he applied he might have become just an SDE at Amazon.
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