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After men in Spain got paternity leave, they wanted fewer kids

61 点作者 certmd大约 6 年前

10 条评论

dk1138大约 6 年前
As a dad who has taken two 12w paternity, I realized a few things after the birth of my second child.<p>• There was no limit to the amount of love I could give to my second child.<p>• There was a limit of time and attention I could share with both children which I felt started to hamper my ability to share that love.<p>• The logistics of a second child made everything take exponentially more time. Meals, transport, dressing, wrangling...it all became much harder. Manageable with my wife--far more difficult when I am alone with them (which is every morning and evening since my wife has a longer commute).<p>At this point, I can&#x27;t envision having a third child. I can&#x27;t imagine splitting my time and attention into thirds. I have a minivan and I&#x27;m not sure how I&#x27;d fit the kids and requisite stuff in the car. I&#x27;m certainly not ready to handle getting three kids ready in the morning alone. And I&#x27;m not ready for the guilt when I travel for work.<p>How did paternity play into this? With insights from my brother who has two kids, the costs didn&#x27;t take me by surprise. The effort and complete consumption of time and energy did. Would I trade it for anything? No. Do I think I can handle more children? I think I&#x27;ve learned about myself that no, I can&#x27;t--both because I don&#x27;t feel like I would be my best self in that situation and because that would then reflect on my interactions with my kids.
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nickelcitymario大约 6 年前
While the idea of the article is entertaining, the data is ridiculous.<p>3 data points: &#x27;00, &#x27;05, and &#x27;10.<p>The policy came into play in &#x27;07. Yet the downward trend was already visible in &#x27;05. It barely changed for &#x27;10.<p>A more interesting (and honest) take of the data is in women&#x27;s desire for more children. It was on a decline in &#x27;05, but ticked up sharply for &#x27;10. So if I was writing this, I would have said: &quot;After men in Spain got paternity leave, women wanted more kids.&quot;
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wtdata大约 6 年前
And this (the jumping to conclusions and the lack of data points in the article) is the reason people in real sciences sneer at sociology...<p>This isn&#x27;t science, this is politics.
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amelius大约 6 年前
Fallacy: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc</a>
narag大约 6 年前
Mind the date:<p><i>Economists studying the effects of the original 2007 policy...</i>
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tathougies大约 6 年前
California&#x27;s (or san Francisco&#x27;s... Not sure) six weeks of paid paternity leave made this dad want more kids. Babies are the best! Maybe if they gave more time off they&#x27;d want more children
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jon-wood大约 6 年前
According to the article &quot;Farré and González think that spending more time with their children—or the prospect of having to do so—may have made men more acutely aware of the effort and costs associated with childrearing&quot;.<p>Another (arguably more positive) reason could be that new fathers formed a better relationship with their child, and be extension felt more fulfilled in that relationship. That could potentially then lead to them not feeling the need to have more children.
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marssaxman大约 6 年前
Well, that certainly congrues with my personal experience. As the oldest of eleven children, I left home with a strong set of babysitting skills and an even stronger desire not to raise any children of my own.
Kurtz79大约 6 年前
&quot;As the authors point out, it’s impossible to draw sweeping conclusions from this observation of a single data point in a single country. Correlation isn’t causation, and it’s possible that other factors weighed more heavily than paternity leave on men’s family preferences.&quot;<p>TLDR: &quot;You just wasted 5 minutes of your life&quot;.
TuringTest大约 6 年前
That&#x27;s a good thing, there are too many people in the world already. Funny how values change when you actually have to deal with the consequences of your actions, though.
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