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The Origin of ‘Script Kiddie’

152 点作者 LiveOverflow大约 6 年前

23 条评论

INTPenis大约 6 年前
The author might have had more luck grepping through irc logs from the 90s. If they exist.<p>I was also born a bit too late but I was active on IRC during the last 3 years of the 90s and remember the term script kiddie being so much a part of the fabric of IRC that we had already started to type around it, so to speak.<p>For example instead of saying script kiddies I&#x27;d just call myself a kid and it would be implied. Sort of like self-defamation to humble myself before older irc cats.<p>The beauty of irc to me was in part its whimsical nature. Making up words was something that happened almost every day and no one batted an eye.<p>Also trolling was part of this whole scene and no one cared. Everyone knew how to handle trolls and if you didn&#x27;t you were part of todays entertainment.<p>Today it&#x27;s all bullying and people are going insane over trolling but back then it was just part of the game.<p>IRC was truly where culture existed in my opinion. After newsgroups and such, IRC was live. It happened every day, all day. And night. In that sense it would be a much better source for slang terms than zines.
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tptacek大约 6 年前
This is all pure navel gazing, of course, but:<p>It goes at least back to Pluvius (in, amongst other places, BoW) in 1994, but I&#x27;m pretty sure he didn&#x27;t come up with it either --- BoW itself was an ironic commentary on the whole scene, and wrote casually about &quot;scripts&quot; because everyone knew what that word meant.<p>And so what&#x27;s interesting isn&#x27;t &quot;script kiddie&quot; --- &quot;kiddie&quot; has been an all-purpose pejorative since forever --- but &quot;scripts&quot;, which have an interesting etymology that crosses over between IRC scripts and exploits. &quot;Cookbook&quot; used to be another related term which has fallen by the wayside.<p>&quot;Zero day&quot; is another term with interesting roots, originally referring not to vulnerabilities and exploits but to pirated games; there was a whole &quot;days&quot;-denominated scale for freshness of warez.
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taneq大约 6 年前
&gt; Is &quot;don’t be a script kiddie&quot; a reference to Mr. Robot? Or is it already a thing in general?<p>Wow, wait til they find out how many of the things on Mr. Robot are already things in general. That&#x27;s kind of what made the show good in the first place - that it had relatively realistic descriptions (amongst the theatre, of course) of how to break into computers.
ggm大约 6 年前
To me the sense was always somebody who <i>got a script</i> and ran it. Not an author, but a kiddie who knew people who knew people who phreaked.<p>It was the gateway drug from amiga vid mod devs into hacking but rather than the hard way (learn to code) they bootstrapped in from somebody elses script.
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exogeny大约 6 年前
For me, the etmyology (and context) of &quot;script kiddies&quot; laid within mIRC warscripting. Lots and lots of proto-hacker troublemakers creating various low-level ICMP attacks, ping floods, and so on.<p>Timeline is generally about the same time as well.
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DonHopkins大约 6 年前
I don&#x27;t know if they were called &quot;script kiddies&quot; then, but I know they were around in 1986.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;donhopkins.com&#x2F;home&#x2F;archive&#x2F;net&#x2F;hack.board.txt" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;donhopkins.com&#x2F;home&#x2F;archive&#x2F;net&#x2F;hack.board.txt</a><p><pre><code> &gt;FROM&gt;: MAD MAN HACKER &gt;DATE&gt;: WED JUN 26 &lt;34710&gt; HEY,DUDES TRY THIS VAX COMPUTER-&gt;202-xxx-yyyy JUST HIT CONTROL-CHARA AND YOUR PRO. GET SOMEWHERE...WELL,LATRE DUDES... &#x2F;\&gt;&gt;MAD MAN HACKER..</code></pre>
mmaunder大约 6 年前
That AIX cron exploit looks awfully familiar. Script kiddie was being thrown around on #hack and #phreak (and probably #2600 and even #warez) on effnet IRC pre 1996. My guess is someone said it and it stuck and we&#x27;ll never know who. Few people used the full phrase. Usually kiddie, k1dd13z, etc.
pbhjpbhj大约 6 年前
A little searching of Happy Hacker related stuff turns up this:<p>&quot;And you&#x27;ll know you are vastly better than the &quot;code kiddies&quot; who go to places like the Scriptors of Doom website to pick up programs (e.g. Perl scripts) to use to break into people&#x27;s computers.&quot; (Meinel, 1996 [1])<p>I couldn&#x27;t quickly find the Scriptors of Doom website to check there.<p>They say in the OP that Wikipedia has 2000 as the earliest use, but Slashdot has use a few times in 1999 eg [2] ... perhaps the people writing Wikipedia hadn&#x27;t heard of &#x2F;.<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;verbosity.wiw.org&#x2F;issue6&#x2F;meinel.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;verbosity.wiw.org&#x2F;issue6&#x2F;meinel.html</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ask.slashdot.org&#x2F;story&#x2F;99&#x2F;06&#x2F;05&#x2F;1815225&#x2F;ask-slashdot-another-word-for-hacker" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ask.slashdot.org&#x2F;story&#x2F;99&#x2F;06&#x2F;05&#x2F;1815225&#x2F;ask-slashdot...</a>
mcv大约 6 年前
I think I remember the use of the term &#x27;script kiddie&#x27; to refer to wannabe hackers who run other people&#x27;s scripts without really understanding them, from the early-to-mid 1990s, but I don&#x27;t have any references and it might just as well be from the late 1990s.<p>Maybe I&#x27;ll dig into some of my old HackTic magazines to see if they mention it anywhere, but I don&#x27;t think they did. I think I encountered it online on usenet somewhere, which suggests its use was already pretty mainstream at the time.
h2odragon大约 6 年前
AOL before it was &quot;A&quot; even had term flagging for some of its chat channels, saying &quot;script&quot; in some of the Chicago Online text chats would get a moderator on you in second. &quot;skirpt&quot; didn&#x27;t. That would have been 1990, 91? Don&#x27;t think I saw &quot;script kiddies&quot; used until 94+ in the modern sense.
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dmschulman大约 6 年前
Early 90s for sure, likely cross-pollination from IRC but also brought into the popular vernacular via programs like AOHell (came out in 1994) and other GUI frontends for executing a variety of shell scripts that would modify aspects of your AOL client.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;AOHell" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;AOHell</a><p>I think the author of the article is misidentifying the intent of the term though. Script kiddie has come to mean a person who is enabled by a tool or interface that allows them to carry out a dangerous or damaging attack on a computer system while having no knowledge about how to accomplish this attack via their own means.<p>I think in the context of the article the &quot;original sources&quot; are moreso espousing a bit of a programming elitism. Similar ideas but different spirits of the word.
ashurov大约 6 年前
to lift along with this topic..<p>the origin of 0-day (zero-day): <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bjorn.kuiper.nu&#x2F;2013&#x2F;10&#x2F;09&#x2F;origin_of_zero_day&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;bjorn.kuiper.nu&#x2F;2013&#x2F;10&#x2F;09&#x2F;origin_of_zero_day&#x2F;</a><p>curious to see if somebody knows (with proof) of an earlier reference..
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pjc50大约 6 年前
I went and checked &quot;The Hacker Crackdown&quot; (1992), which surprisingly doesn&#x27;t mention the term: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gutenberg.org&#x2F;files&#x2F;101&#x2F;101-h&#x2F;101-h.htm" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gutenberg.org&#x2F;files&#x2F;101&#x2F;101-h&#x2F;101-h.htm</a>
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mindslight大约 6 年前
Since we&#x27;re discussing nostalgia, what&#x27;s still amazing to me is how l33t being on a T1 connection was, whereas these days that&#x27;s like half the speed of crappy Verizon (9x) DSL.<p>On the other hand, going to eBay and searching Cisco 2501 is a bit depressing.
dusted大约 6 年前
I always thought script-kiddies were people who wrote in scripting languages rather than languages that had to be compiled.
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brianzelip大约 6 年前
On the record collecting &#x2F; dj side, we used the similar term &quot;Tommy Crate Digger&quot;. See soulstrut.com!
HNLurker2大约 6 年前
Surprised to see liveoverflow posting here
dagw大约 6 年前
Huh. I think that&#x27;s the first time I&#x27;ve seen what Taran King and Knight Lighting actually looked it.
whenchamenia大约 6 年前
Term started getting popular around 94 iirc. Check old hacker zines for prior art.
whenchamenia大约 6 年前
Someone grep a dir of BBS&#x2F;usenet&#x2F;gopher era hacker zines.
nixpulvis大约 6 年前
I love how I can&#x27;t select text on this website on mobile...
3xblah大约 6 年前
I would not have guessed the first use referred to a shell script.
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newobj大约 6 年前
just came here to confirm this started on IRC for sure.