Cross-reference:<p><a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1993626" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1993626</a><p><a href="http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1992123" rel="nofollow">http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1992123</a>