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Alexis Ohanian speaks out against “always-on” work culture

231 点作者 petethomas大约 6 年前

18 条评论

wastedhours大约 6 年前
I don&#x27;t get &quot;hustle porn&quot; in the slightest - I want to see people who succeeded by doing the <i>least possible</i>.<p>You have a private jet because you worked 18 hours a day 7 days a week for 10 years? Sacrificed evening meals with your partner and kids, missed spending time with your parents before they got old, and generally only commit to &quot;quality time&quot; (which is largely bullshit) for self and social care? Nah thanks pal.<p>You&#x27;re driving that Ferrari because you make something that makes money, you pay people a decent wage and give them good working conditions to take it all off your plate so you only spend a few hours a week doing the bits you enjoy? That&#x27;s the sizzle right there.<p>Telling Gary Vee to put a cake in it would be a good start.
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SolaceQuantum大约 6 年前
I find the effects of overwork to be quite interesting- a lack of space for self makes it impossible to perform actually life enriching behaviors such as retreats, meditations, socialization, and hobbies. This means there&#x27;s simply no room for any other entertainment or enrichment beyond the most shallow&#x2F;fast&#x2F;addictive stuff - social media, twitter wars, the thrill of buying nice things.<p>(EDIT: I should emphasize why it&#x27;s so interesting to me because people often overwork with the justification for life enrichment, but the actual act of overworking reduces space&#x2F;time for life enrichment!
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chewz大约 6 年前
&gt; “All of us who decide to start a company, we’re kind of broken as people,” because founders are often singularly-focused on the success of their venture, said Mr. Ohanian. Even with great mentors and investors supporting their vision, entrepreneurs tend to put a great deal of pressure on themselves to work harder than anyone else to achieve success and profitability. That psychological pressure is compounded by what he and others refer to as “hustle culture.”<p>&gt; “You have this culture of posturing, and this culture that glorifies the most absurd things and ignores things like self-care, and ignores things like therapy, and ignores things like actually taking care of yourself as a physical being for the sake of work at all costs. It’s a toxic problem,” said Mr. Ohanian.
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walrus01大约 6 年前
I find the idea of working more than 40 hours a week to create something ultimately optional and meaningless... Just utterly preposterous.<p>People treat the &quot;crunch&quot; as if it&#x27;s an epic accomplishment of world shaking importance to write a slightly better Android food delivery app, or slightly optimize video ad delivery.<p>I have worked on networking and IT projects in immediate post-disaster relief environments, and in active combat zones, where it might be justifiable to work 12 hours a day, 6 days a week.<p>But it&#x27;s just laughable that some corporation expects people to do that for something which is frivolous. Look at the recent news article about the abuse of their staff involved in the development of the recent Anthem video game...<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kotaku.com&#x2F;how-biowares-anthem-went-wrong-1833731964" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kotaku.com&#x2F;how-biowares-anthem-went-wrong-1833731964</a>
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temp99990大约 6 年前
Maybe this is a bit cynical but is this not like if the CEO of Pepsi spoke out against sugar?<p>He and his VC partner are both YC-insiders. I don’t necessarily follow his tweets as much as his partner’s but his partner tweets are what I’d call classical hustle porn tweets that he spews all the time. And YC is almost certainly the epi-center of hustle porn.
code4tee大约 6 年前
The “hustle porn” is also quite frequently a coverup or distraction from general failure at other parts of life. Those that are super successful in perhaps their career but have no personal life, no partner, no kids, no real existence outside of their company tend to be quite boring people. These types keep promoting themselves and their “hard work” but it seems lost on them that others aren’t really all that impressed.<p>Those that are super impressive and truly accomplished are the ones that have successful careers but also have actual lives with families and a real life. Doing both well and not stressing out is a true accomplishment worth celebrating and promoting.
caseyw大约 6 年前
I worked for years in a role that was &quot;always-on&quot;. To the point it cost me more than I gained. I&#x27;ve lost years of my life through that experience, and only towards the end could see the toxicity of it all. I&#x27;m finally free with a healthy work life balance and can&#x27;t understand what I was thinking, if I was thinking anything at all.
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ForTheBetter大约 6 年前
While certainly true, statements like these fail to ignore why tech folk grind so hard-- because if they don&#x27;t and someone else does then they are at an objective disadvantage. That&#x27;s not to say that means they cannot or will not succeed, but if one tech founder is working 60 hours a week versus 40 hours a week (assuming they are both efficient) then there is a clear advantage.<p>If your going to hustle, do it young when you don&#x27;t have responsibility. Don&#x27;t be the dude with a kid missing dinners and school plays. But if I&#x27;m young and want to grind to build something I&#x27;m passionate about then I don&#x27;t think that is so wrong or toxic-- just don&#x27;t fucking post about it on social media.
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notacoward大约 6 年前
It&#x27;s a tragedy of the commons, where the commons is our individual and collective mental health. Working your ass off might be an individually rational choice, but even if that&#x27;s true (opinions definitely vary) the result of <i>everybody</i> doing it is a significantly crappier society.
TomMasz大约 6 年前
My last job was managing product security for a company that has customers worldwide. The first and last things every single day I did was check my email on my phone, weekends and holidays. When I got out of the job my health greatly improved to the point where I had my blood pressure medication lowered. &quot;Always-on&quot; is a killer.
drugme大约 6 年前
&quot;Always-on&quot; can kind of sort of work out, for a couple of years -- provided all 3 of the following simple conditions are met:<p>(1) You&#x27;re getting a decent base + health insurance<p>(2) The equity is in proportion to the sacrifice (this can be difficult to quantify; but in any case not a microscopic share of the pie); and<p>(3) You actually have some say in (and responsibility over) the outcomes.<p>(4) And of course you aren&#x27;t throwing anyone under the bus in your family or personal life.<p>On of the reasons our industry is so toxic is that you&#x27;re expected to be &quot;always on&quot; even though there&#x27;s not even a pretense of (2) or (3) being met -- and quite often the numbers for condition (1) are sketchy, or far worse.
KaiserPro大约 6 年前
The fundamental engine of growth in the economy is the continual increase in productivity.<p>that is the increase of unit of work per staff head.<p>Having staff work hard, not smart lowers productivity, and therefore profit.<p>For example uber:<p>IF they were a company capable of making a profit, it is because currently they have a virtually staff free monitoring and dispatch system (that is, no branch offices, no radio dispatcher, no mechanics etc.)<p>However thats only a small part of thier overheads. The vast majority comes from paying their drivers. Adding more drivers adds cost linearly.<p>However if they were to somehow manage to perfect driverless cars, their productivity would smash through the roof, as they can replace linear cost increases with an upfront capital cost (ie, buy loads of self driving cars instead of paying a per mile cost.)<p>If you are working your staff 996, not only are they going to burn out, they are going to be inefficient. There are legions of studies that date back to the early 1900s that prove this. In china there is an abundance of staff, so one does not need to worry, as if you burn out 35% a year, they can always be replaced, cheaply.<p>but you can&#x27;t afford to do that if you have a limited talent pool.
dnissley大约 6 年前
Recently heard a good ted talk and good podcast with Andrew Taggart who is using the term &quot;Total Work&quot; to describe this phenomena.<p>He leans a lot on this old german book called &quot;Leisure: The Basis of Culture&quot;, and asks the question &quot;Why do we work?&quot; His answer is that work should be a means to an end, and that end is to be able to lead a life where we engage fully with love, art, philosophy, and spirituality. This seems to me to be a bit too tightly defined, but definitely made me think more intentionally about what it is I&#x27;m living for.<p>Ted Talk: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=F7UonZl-Gis" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=F7UonZl-Gis</a><p>Podcast: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;podcasts.apple.com&#x2F;gb&#x2F;podcast&#x2F;andrew-taggart-philosophizing-in-the-age-of-total-work&#x2F;id1397139116?i=1000435020386" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;podcasts.apple.com&#x2F;gb&#x2F;podcast&#x2F;andrew-taggart-philoso...</a>
merricksb大约 6 年前
Paywall bypass link:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;always-on-work-culture-creating-broken-people-says-reddit-co-founder-11558464608?mod=rsswn" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;always-on-work-culture-creating...</a>
itamarst大约 6 年前
Based purely on chewz&#x27; quote, since paywall: the problem isn&#x27;t just the impact on founders, it&#x27;s all the employees who get screwed as a result of the founders&#x27; misguided beliefs.<p>If the person on top works long hours, they pressure their underlings to work long hours in a whole bunch of different ways (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;codewithoutrules.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;06&#x2F;21&#x2F;why-company-want-long-hours&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;codewithoutrules.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;06&#x2F;21&#x2F;why-company-want-lon...</a>).<p>See also JWZ on VCs: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20190425140352&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jwz.org&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2011&#x2F;11&#x2F;watch-a-vc-use-my-name-to-sell-a-con&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20190425140352&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.jwz.o...</a><p>(Updated with archive.org link)
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thegranderson大约 6 年前
Full Text: ALWAYS-ON WORK CULTURE CREATING ‘BROKEN’ PEOPLE, SAYS REDDIT CO-FOUNDER<p>Alexis Ohanian speaks out against toxicity of ‘hustle porn’ that glorifies ‘most absurd things’<p>Alexis Ohanian, venture investor and husband of tennis superstar Serena Williams, loves getting asked how he balances family life and his career as managing partner of Initialized Capital.<p>He and Ms. Williams became first-time parents in 2017, and in the months that followed, Mr. Ohanian frequently spoke out about why it was so important for him to take time away from the Bay Area firm he co-founded to bond with their daughter.<p>Parental leave wasn’t only a fun way to spend 16 weeks with their newborn Alexis Olympia Jr., he said at The Wall Street Journal’s Future of Everything Festival on Tuesday, but it was also a reminder of why work should never be the only metric for measuring success.<p>“I’ve spoken out quite a bit about things like ‘hustle porn,’ and this ceremony of showing off on social [media] about how hard you’re working,” said Mr. Ohanian, who previously co-founded online discussion forum Reddit. “Y’all see it on Instagram and you certainly see it in the startup community, and it becomes really toxic.”<p>Business men in his position are rarely asked about juggling the requirements of their roles outside of work, like in their family, he said, and that contributes to unrealistic expectations that a job can reflect the entirety of anyone’s identity as a human being.<p>“All of us who decide to start a company, we’re kind of broken as people,” because founders are often singularly-focused on the success of their venture, said Mr. Ohanian. Even with great mentors and investors supporting their vision, entrepreneurs tend to put a great deal of pressure on themselves to work harder than anyone else to achieve success and profitability. That psychological pressure is compounded by what he and others refer to as “hustle culture.”<p>“You have this culture of posturing, and this culture that glorifies the most absurd things and ignores things like self-care, and ignores things like therapy, and ignores things like actually taking care of yourself as a physical being for the sake of work at all costs. It’s a toxic problem,” said Mr. Ohanian.<p>This issue isn’t limited to technology companies, he added, noting that his acquaintances in finance and other industries also promote an unhealthy attitude that encourages 12-hour work days and few breaks.<p>“Social media has made it possible to weaponize it to the point where, if [bragging about your difficult workweek] gets hearts, you’re incentivized to keep pushing” the limits.
purple-again大约 6 年前
Can some kind soul provide the body of the text for us poor souls or instructions for how to access the article? No luck with the web button or outline.com.
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skilled大约 6 年前
Actually, another way to look at it is, are you going inside work culture as a broken person? Meaning, do you have a choice to be healthy and balanced in life? And if you don&#x27;t, what is standing in the way of that?<p>If the answer is &quot;hustle&quot;, then you ought to take responsibility rather than crying about it.
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