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Amazon shareholders reject facial recognition ban

291 点作者 petethomas大约 6 年前

21 条评论

plandis大约 6 年前
In my mind selling facial recognition seems no different than selling a hammer. It’s amoral, it can be used for good or bad.<p>Id much rather see laws to limit when and how the technology can be applied.
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m3kw9大约 6 年前
If there is a ban, it should be country law, not just one company. How is this gonna achieve anything if another company goes ahead anyways?
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godzillabrennus大约 6 年前
Love that the article says people can use the AWS support system to report issues with the technology. That&#x27;s a black hole of no return if you are a paying customer much less someone random off the internet.
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spunker540大约 6 年前
I feel like there are clearly ways in which facial recognition can improve a lot of systems -- ticketing (think airports, sporting events, concerts etc); automated stores (like the amazon cashierless stores); payment (imagine not needing a wallet because the combination of your face, gait, and voice is enough to verify you); security (home&#x2F;building&#x2F;car entry, detecting suspicious individuals, known terrorists, past offenders, restraining orders)<p>There are also the many valid awful ways it which it can be used, particularly by the government. Why not just ask for laws preventing the bad uses? I don&#x27;t get why it has to be all or nothing. If it&#x27;s strictly government use that is concerning, or police use, then pass laws banning government collection of facial recognition models. There&#x27;s no need to pass laws banning all forms of racial recognition simply because there are certain dangerous use cases.<p>It&#x27;d be like if back in the 20&#x27;s or 30&#x27;s someone said we need to ban cars because they could someday be driven by terrorists into large groups of people. It&#x27;s a tragically valid concern, but we all agree it&#x27;s not reason enough to ban cars altogether. An even more realistic example is folks back in the day complaining about how dangerous cars were, and rather than banning all cars deciding on speed limits and safety belts and airbags and anti-lock brakes and so on. It doesn&#x27;t have to be all or nothing.
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mindgam3大约 6 年前
One of the things that blows my mind about the current tech landscape is that <i>Microsoft</i> now appears to occupy the moral high ground with its stance calling for regulation on facial recognition.<p>I grew up with a profound distaste for Microsoft&#x27;s anti-competitive business culture under Gates. But now I have to give credit where it&#x27;s due. Even Apple, which has come out with strong statements on privacy, is lagging behind MSFT in this area as far as I can tell.
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jcims大约 6 年前
What was the point of taking this to shareholders? On what planet would anyone expect them to vote any other way?
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andrepd大约 6 年前
It amazes me still how much power in our &quot;democratic&quot; system is help completely outside of the control of the public. How some people, by virtue of owning capital, are vested with such powers that can make or break the lives of millions. Theirs are the decisions that can kill thousands or cause suffering to millions.<p>Democracy is not a boolean. It&#x27;s a continuum. To me, it means &quot;power held by the people whom it concerns&quot;. That&#x27;s it! But even in our best democracies, only <i>some</i> portion of power is held democratically. Other decisions, often no less impactful or critical or harmful (think polluting factories, advertisers that insidiously manipulate people&#x27;s psyches, governance of enterprises bigger than many nations, etc), are done by undemocratic, unelectable, unaccountable <i>elites</i>.<p>This needs fixing.<p>PS: this is bad even if the capital &quot;well earned&quot;, for some definition of &quot;well earned&quot;, but it is especially aggravating when we&#x27;re talking about the Saudi royals or the Waltons of this world...
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Vordax大约 6 年前
What I really wanted was facial recognition in Google Glasses. I hate it when I am in the store and someone comes up and says Hi &lt;name&gt; hows the wife and kids, and I am like &quot;who is this....&quot;. Would be great to say &quot;Hey Bob, doing good&quot; :)
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tanilama大约 6 年前
And that is good news. Company should focus on making good services and good profit, not virtue signaling on political fluff
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RcouF1uZ4gsC大约 6 年前
Just a reminder that like encryption, facial recognition is just applied math. Why are people trying to ban math?
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malvosenior大约 6 年前
Regulating this technology seems like regulating encryption. Futile. You can never put the tech genie back in the bottle. Especially since presumably many of the foundation layers of this technology are open source with wide scale applications. Will they outlaw machine learning? TensorFlow?<p>Obviously whatever Amazon is doing is more complicated than throwing a ton of face images at TensorFlow but as technology progresses, the advances will bubble up to the application layer.<p>The thought that you could even regulate facial recognition just shows how out to lunch lawmakers and the media are when it comes to technology, how it&#x27;s developed and how it&#x27;s deployed.
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fooblitzky大约 6 年前
&quot;The proposals faced an uphill battle. Amazon’s board recommended against them&quot; - for those not aware, the way shareholder voting works for Amazon, is that shares that aren&#x27;t voted are assumed to vote the same way the board recommends. This means to get any proposal different to the board&#x27;s recommendation, you need to get more active voters for the proposal, than those opposed + not voting.<p>There was a shareholder proposal recently to make the default for non-voters abstain instead of &quot;whatever the board wants&quot;, but the board recommended against it and it was defeated.
jxramos大约 6 年前
What’s the backstory here? Did Amazon ban some facial recognition product it’s developed from being used in certain circumstances and the shareholders overturned that decision?
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microdrum大约 6 年前
Security cameras are already everywhere. So, um, should there be a law that only human retinas can look at them? Why allow recording of the feeds, for that matter?
Traubenfuchs大约 6 年前
Why would shareholders reject something that can make them money? This is not a charity.
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KorematsuFred大约 6 年前
What is wrong with facial recognition ? The problem should be government using it to enforce laws. Even that is debatable. Most public spaces are currently under surveillance.
danielovichdk大约 6 年前
Dont buy from Amazon.<p>How hard can it be
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m-p-3大约 6 年前
Looks like Amazon is incapable of policing itself then.
exabrial大约 6 年前
Progressives are progressive until it&#x27;s their own backyard. Great article about that earlier today on HN.
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llamataboot大约 6 年前
Ah, the public corporation! Fictive structures created so that profit-making shall never be interfered with by moral or ethical concerns!<p>Just creating shareholder value, what else can you expect us to do!
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jokoon大约 6 年前
Shouldn&#x27;t this technology be outlawed outside law enforcement?<p>It sounds like it can be used like a powerful tool.
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