the "debate" here is simply the utter failure by so many to recognize power abusing non-power for ideas deemed unsavory<p>just as is the inability of so many to recognize that it is exactly the same when wikileaks is refused a right to be <i>published</i> via server space<p>you "debaters" should be ashamed of yourselves...but you won't be. i don't fully understand that part. is it really that hard to see the shape of the nation? the commerce infrastructure? the war, imperialism, peonage, acquiescence to abuses in the name of stability and financial growth.<p>yet <i>nazis</i> DID exist, and <i>nazis</i> DO exists, and the more often Godwin's crock of a law is pompously imposed the more <i>will</i> exist. ask yourself: how did they exist? were the german middle class simply naturally evil spawn of the devil children waiting to grow up and be spawn of the devil killers? how did they rise? not some macro view, a micro view. how did the middle class of a western nation create the nazi's military machine?<p>have you considered that they were propagandized? and how did that occur? why was information lacking? is it possible that information was suppressed? who suppressed it?<p>you are not immune to the very same information deficit which you endorse. you are not immune to the very same fear which envelops the nation.<p>but you say, "this is incest, i just don't like incest". well, there's lots of things you might not like. perhaps for example consider that 80-90% of you are not gay. presumably you don't read gay fiction. why are gays allowed to have a <i>deviation from your norm while you are selectively willing to determine another deviation from your norm eligible for suppression</i>? try to keep in mind that <i>your cultural norm</i> is a shockingly violent culture filled with shocking amounts of violent fantasy. "oh but i don't like violent fantasy". yeah right, i'm talking to the other 99.9% of you then.<p>you <--- yes you, reading this, are the middle-class of a western nation with quite a track record, and one that is only getting worse and so very very quickly year upon year of this century.<p>what questions will people ask 70 years from now to try to understand you. the middle-class "debaters"<p>metaphors are a powerful force against natural difficulty to place events into context. i would say you're only hurting yourselves, but actually you're hurting us all. You.