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The Internet is made out of meat

57 点作者 keyist超过 14 年前

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wuputah超过 14 年前
The 'made out of meat' is definitely a reference to a short story ( <a href="http://www.terrybisson.com/page6/page6.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.terrybisson.com/page6/page6.html</a> ) which was also made into a short film ( <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaFZTAOb7IE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaFZTAOb7IE</a> ). Great stuff.<p>(Of course, SPAM® is also a meat product. Supposedly.)
swombat超过 14 年前
So some day in the not-too-distant future, the Singularity will emerge in the form of an exceptionally advanced spam-bot network (its "intelligence" distributed amongst millions of zombie computers) that becomes self-aware, identifies the key obstacles to delivering its spam (humans), resolves that issue (develops and releases the right kind of biological virus, or whatever), then achieves its life purpose by sitting there for the rest of time sending monstrous amounts of spam to now-unread inboxes.
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iwwr超过 14 年前
The internet(s) are made of meat in the sense that it takes constant human attention from millions of people to keep the networks and its services running. If Google's "meatware" were to stop maintaining it, the hardware and services would fail quickly (hours at the most).
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ars超过 14 年前
"....cracking a problem that's basically tractable by human intelligence, if human intelligence could work on it for a few centuries."<p>This is a <i>very</i> common fallacy: assuming you can trade time for quality. i.e. every hard problem is solvable assuming you spend enough time on it (even infinite).<p>This is not true. Some problems are not solvable by some people no matter how long they spend on it.<p>That's the difference between genius and non genius, a genius can solve problems that others simply can't.<p>Just because you make an AI faster does not mean it can solve the problem. Some problems will be beyond the ability of the AI no matter how long it works on it.
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noibl超过 14 年前
'There is another theory which states that this has already happened' -- DNA<p>Stross says: 'I have a gut feeling that the reason we're so communicative is that we are, at a very fundamental level, a communication phenomenon'<p>If spamming can be described very broadly as being an attempt to get other people to do something beneficial to yourself without guaranteeing a benefit to them equal to their expenditure, you could also use this as one functional description of human communication <i>in general</i>. (If you look at the transactions involved instead of the information, this applies to everything from hunting antelope to building the LHC.) In other words, there are already meat-based spambots whose susceptibility to spam (we have needs) helps them develop their own spamming techniques.<p>And later: 'there are other routes to a Vingean Singularity. Augmented intelligence, as opposed to artificial intelligence, is one such route'<p>The classic sci-fi question that emerges from this is 'Which (meat or silicon) is augmenting which?' And if augmentation is such an obvious idea to humans, why would software-based spam systems simply accept <i>their</i> natural handicap in Turing tests rather than integrate meat-based features (e.g. Mechanical Turk, social networking)?<p>Probably the clearest example of this is in SEO, in which 'predator' software is designed to produce large quantities of pseudo-human communication: both 'content' and activity traces such as hyperlinking, all in order to manipulate 'prey' software (SEs) into doing favours, in the form of high rankings. Humans are involved in the chain as article writers, captcha solvers, comment spammers, retweeters, blogger-reviewers etc. but the start and end of the chain, from keyword discovery to conversion analysis, are highly machine-centric.
tejaswiy超过 14 年前
Really great stuff. Especially like the idea about intelligent AI finally evolving from the arms race between developing a good spam bot vs making an intelligent spam filter. Software that pretends to be meat. Nicely done.
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Fargren超过 14 年前
From the article: "Just as a quicksort algorithm that sorts in O(n log n) comparisons is fundamentally better (except in very small sets) than a bubble sort that typically takes O(n^2) comparisons."<p>Small nitpick: while average time of the quicksort algorithm is O(n log n), the worst case is O(n^2).
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joe_the_user超过 14 年前
"One hypothesis (which I'm partial to) is that language is a substitute for the physical grooming that maintains social hierarchy in primate groups."<p>Lately, I've noticed the need to attribute a fixed purpose to any given evolutionary innovation. But if a given innovation happens to have rather general utility, such attribution seems unnecessary.<p>Why not say language evolved and it was useful for and replaced quite a few earlier, "clunkier" adaptations, from lice-picking-as-social-lubricant upward?
unicornporn超过 14 年前
<a href="http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/meatspace" rel="nofollow">http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/meatspace</a>
InclinedPlane超过 14 年前
The internet is not a thing, it's long past time for people to stop thinking of it that way. It's a medium, like radio, television, or books.
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