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OpenBSD Is Now My Workstation

294 点作者 sogubsys将近 6 年前

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lifeisstillgood将近 6 年前
For years I lived in FreeBSD world - servers and laptops. I was fighting the good fight and rationalised that having to only remember one location for network services was a win.<p>Then I took a second look. I realised that I was spending waaayy too much time getting the laptop usable (usually wifi) and not going enough using it<p>I bailed for ubuntu and I cannot remember where the network confit is and hate the GUI but I have stopped caring and I just do my work<p>Sometimes I feel dirty.
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lone_haxx0r将近 6 年前
I hate the fact that Thinkpads are the laptops with the best OpenBSD support.<p>I dislike Thinkpads for two reasons:<p>- They&#x27;re made by Lenovo. A couple of years ago, Lenovo bundled malware in the BIOS of their laptops [superfish incident]. For that reason, I won&#x27;t ever again buy a single product from them, since I can&#x27;t trust them.<p>- They&#x27;re ugly. I find most current laptops ugly, so this may be <i>my</i> fault, and by itself it wouldn&#x27;t be enough of a reason not to buy one. But still.
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dijit将近 6 年前
I like openbsd. I like their attitude (even if many don’t) I like what they’ve given to the UNIX-likes, and what they strip away due to complexity (removal of Bluetooth) or lack of decent UX (wpa_supplicant), or just potential issues (removal of Hyperthreading)<p>I know it’s probably controversial to mention it; but I’m also glad they didn’t buy into the code of conduct saga that waved over FreeBSD and eventually Linux.<p>I’ve used the OS as a daily driver, it certainly was nice, albeit slow. I would go back if I could avoid some of the Linux&#x2F;MacOS stuff I really need. I still use it on personal servers and I still really love it.<p>I send them €50&#x2F;mo but I don’t feel like it’s enough. I wish they had more resources to bring things like AC Wi-Fi to the fold. Truly impressive work to all involved.
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davesmith1983将近 6 年前
I&#x27;ve been using OpenBSD since 3.8.<p>OpenBSD is a great system because it makes sense. If you want to find out how something works. You go to the manual page. A lot of questions about the Operating system can be found on the FAQ.<p>Much like Arch Linux, I don&#x27;t find myself needing to Google around forums trying to find a solution. I go to the docs and 99% of the time I will find the solution.<p>The reasons for using it aren&#x27;t really that exciting. It is a basic system that works well.
hdfbdtbcdg将近 6 年前
He literally can&#x27;t do his job on this OS... He runs his critical workloads (Linux virtual machines) on another laptop with Linux installed.
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loop0将近 6 年前
I tried openbsd in my thinkpad x220. IDK if the processor only make a huge difference (mine being core i3 2.1ghz), but what I saw was a slow system experience, opening firefox for the first time (after boot) took a decade. I would experience slugishness everytime I closed a tab. And I was using cwm which is supposed to be even more lightweight than xfce4. I&#x27;m upgrading my motherboard to have the same processor as the author, maybe I will give another shot.
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akulbe将近 6 年前
I have Linux-on-the-Windows-Desktop. WSL, that is. For my use case, it&#x27;s fucking amazing. I&#x27;ve come full circle.<p>I switched from Windows to Linux in 1999. I switched from Linux to Mac in 2003.<p>I&#x27;ve used Linux natively, it turned into a hack-fest. I spent more time trying to get things working, than getting ACTUAL work done. Using the Linux platform for development is fantastic.<p>It&#x27;s when you want to do non-dev related productivity stuff that it got frustrating for me. You had to have workarounds galore. Or you had to have Wine, or you had to have a full Windows VM (when $APP didn&#x27;t have a good nix-y equivalent).<p>macOS <i>was</i> great when the computer hardware was prioritized. Then at some point, Apple shifted focus. It <i>was</i> all about a cohesive experience, and integration galore. Then it shifted. Now it&#x27;s all about iOS&#x2F;iPadOS&#x2F;watchOS&#x2F;tvOS. macOS and its hardware have largely taken a back seat. See the MacBook Pro 2016-.<p>When Apple releases the 2019 MBP and it <i>IMMEDIATELY</i> goes onto the keyboard repair program... you know that in spite of all lip service to the contrary, that Apple gives no fucks about the Apple computer, like they do their gravy train products.<p>I needed an environment that&#x27;d let me still target Linux development, but stay-the-eff-out-of-my-way for productivity stuff. Windows it is. I know that&#x27;s not what HNer&#x27;s wanna hear, but the cultural shift at MS and using MS for a dev platform... it&#x27;s been surprising, and amazing. Not what I&#x27;d expected in a million years. #flyingpigs #flameon<p>Anyone else experience a similar evolution?
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AdmiralAsshat将近 6 年前
&gt;Speed is Stellar<p>&gt;Speed is not a concern for me.<p>Is he saying that speed isn&#x27;t a concern for him <i>in general</i>? If so, why mention that the speed is stellar, then? Or is he saying that the system is so light in general that he doesn&#x27;t suspect speed will become a problem down the line?
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stonogo将近 6 年前
OpenBSD will download your wifi firmware during first boot (post-install) if there is a configured internet connection (i.e. ethernet).
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cubano将近 6 年前
So, you are giving up what seems like your 2 most important apps (Evernote and VMs) just so you can run X operating system on a laptop?<p>Excuse me, but this just doesn&#x27;t make any sense. Applications are the reason we use computers, not OSs, and to have to make such sacrifices is IMHO just silly. The whole OS holy-war thing seems so played out to me...its 2019 just use whatever works..no one care really.<p>Add to that the apparent political nature of the openbsd &quot;manifesto&quot; and guidelines and I&#x27;ll just say that I, personally, am not a fan of mixing politics and OSs.
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anthony_doan将近 6 年前
I bought a used Thinkpad to use OpenBSD.<p>The default installation is good and the internals are easy to understand. It&#x27;s not as complicated as Linux. The security etho is what brought me to OpenBSD and the simplicity and easy to understand how everything works made me love it even more.<p>The only reason why I haven&#x27;t use it much after a few months is because I needed RStudio. I wanted to settle for tmux+vim workflow for R but I&#x27;ve been busy with other stuff.
merlincorey将近 6 年前
Thanks for sharing this!<p>I run OpenBSD on my refurbished T430, and have very similar experiences.<p>Glad you have moved on from Evernote to something local and parse-able!
gbrown_将近 6 年前
&gt; vmd is cool tech, for sure, but it isn’t that useful to me. It is best if you want to run OpenBSD virtual machines or gimped Linux virtual machines.<p>The use of &quot;gimped&quot; is poor choice of words. It would be better if the author described specifically what fell short for them.
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rasengan将近 6 年前
&gt; Update: The core dumps are due to buggy programs. OpenBSD malloc is not as forgiving to blatant programming errors as other implementations of malloc available on other Operating Systems.<p>What is the difference&#x2F;error?
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fluffything将近 6 年前
There are trade-offs involved in choosing OpenBSD for a &quot;Work&quot;station, and the post covers some: lack of packages&#x2F;no proper package manager (requires recompiling with patches from source), no Docker&#x2F;VMs&#x2F;VirtualBox&#x2F;Wine, etc. Other are lack of drivers, etc. None of these issues are incompatible with an Operating System design (or not really), they mostly just need extra work.<p>However, the blog post mentions that &quot;for them&quot; performance isn&#x27;t an issue. This should not be interpreted as performance being good. OpenBSD performance can only be described with data: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.phoronix.com&#x2F;scan.php?page=article&amp;item=8-linux-bsd" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.phoronix.com&#x2F;scan.php?page=article&amp;item=8-linux-...</a><p>Even for something that the OpenBSD devs themselves are doing all the time, compiling stuff, OpenBSD is ~20x slower than Linux. 2x slower would be horrible. I really have no words to describe 20x slower performance. If you are a dev working with a compiled language, imagine a 20x perf hit on compile-times. Imagine having to patch LLVM&#x2F;Clang on OpenBSD by recompiling it from source. &quot;Apocalyptically horrible&quot;, &quot;worst in class&quot;, do not even make justice for how slow OpenBSD is.
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user00012-ab将近 6 年前
This article is what is wrong with bsd&#x2F;linux. You have to write an article about all the things you did to get your desktop to just work like any normal desktop works out of the box.<p>In a normal world, the article should read &quot;I installed bsd, and just used my computer to do something useful.&quot;
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auraham将近 6 年前
I am attached to Ubuntu because of apt, my development stack (python, numpy, scipy, matplotlib, and so on), and i3 as window manager. I would like to give it a try, but I am not sure if these applications are available in OpenBSD.
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peter_d_sherman将近 6 年前
Excerpt:<p>&quot;Speed is Stellar<p>The speed of the system is stellar. I feel like it is faster than the Linux and FreeBSD installations, but I don’t have proof of it. I suspect there is less bloat to weight things down and the hardware support for Thinkpads is super in OpenBSD.&quot;<p>One of the hallmarks of a good Operating System...
lacampbell将近 6 年前
Less &#x27;mainstream&#x27; OS&#x27;s seem more viable to me right now, because pretty much every bit of software I use these days runs in either a terminal or a browser. With termux I feel like I could use just an android phone if I had to.
sogubsys将近 6 年前
Thanks to everyone for sharing their opinions, feedback, and help! I truly appreciate it and was not expecting my blog post to explode like it did.<p>I am grateful for your kindness and hope you have a great time hacking away :)
waynesonfire将近 6 年前
BSD OS&#x27;s are very appealing to me given the infiltration of systemd on linux. I&#x27;m very excited to be deploying FreeBSD on my homelab network.
vasili111将近 6 年前
I wish BSD systems had better support for hardware.
stabbles将近 6 年前
Does anyone know the status of Bluetooth on OpenBSD? I believe it does not ship Bluez by default?
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markhahn将近 6 年前
surely &quot;my workstation is now openbsd&quot;.<p>fwiw, didn&#x27;t mention anything at all that would make me budge from linux...
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