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Mailchimp to Sendy: Cutting Email Costs

191 点作者 vzhou842将近 6 年前

29 条评论

azca将近 6 年前
There is a deep misunderstanding of the intricacies involved in actually delivering an email to the inbox, repeatedly, with the lowest risk. What you are paying for with ESP services is mostly that expertise.
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matchagaucho将近 6 年前
<i>&quot;One downside of using Sendy is that you have to setup &#x2F; host it yourself. &quot;</i><p>This is the classic mistake of calculating savings purely on costs and not factoring in time.<p>Pay $75 per month for hosting and 0 hours on Ops.<p>-or-<p>Pay $5 per month for hosting and 5 hours on Ops.<p>The latter option values your time at $15 per hour. Basically just creating a minimum wage job for yourself.
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SteveGregory将近 6 年前
It&#x27;s worth noting that there are a few open source email marketing platforms out there too. Sendy is $60 and obfuscates some of the source code.<p>Mautic and Mailtrain are two that I have tried. In my experience, both have some odd areas, but Mautic is a bit more flexible and has fewer significant bugs.
kikki将近 6 年前
Mailchimp&#x27;s pricing really doesn&#x27;t seem all that outrageous to me - considering the time you state it saves
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tannerc将近 6 年前
Mailchimp is reasonably priced for small companies or large businesses that can justify the cost as a business expense. But for small, bootstrapped startups or even personal email lists—which seem to be trendy these days—it can be very expensive.<p>EDIT: Why is this being downvoted?
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legitster将近 6 年前
If price is your only concern, you can do mail merges for free and just have your Outlook send the emails for you. But I think you would be underestimating the value of an ESP:<p>- Establishing trust is <i>everything</i> for email. Even outside of traditional spam filters, you need to stay outside of clutter or bulk filters as well. Mailchimp does such a good job of cleaning their instance of spammers and spam traps that their IP addresses are pretty trusted by inboxes. When you pay for Mailchimp, you are piggy backing on their reputation.<p>- Compliance is important and getting more important. It&#x27;s real nice to just have a service like Mailchimp just handle liability and you don&#x27;t need to worry about lawyers.<p>- UX. Consumers are familiar with Mailchimp and the subscription settings, etc. Not a big deal, but a nice way to establish trust.<p>But to more of a point, if you are taking on the responsibility of handling a database of <i>thousands of people</i>, is $30 a month really too expensive a price?
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lukewrites将近 6 年前
Hi Victor, since you&#x27;re submitting your work here I thought it&#x27;d be OK to give feedback to you here, too. I suggest you label your affiliate links as being affiliate links. If you try to slip that by me, I wonder what else you&#x27;re trying to hide.
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air7将近 6 年前
This is an interesting business model: Sell code for a one time fee. I&#x27;m guessing the code has no DRM or phone-home code. I&#x27;d be afraid that the code would just be posted somewhere and I&#x27;d lose a big chunk of revenue.
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RyanShook将近 6 年前
Making templates that are nice to look at and compatible is hard. Obviously, you can send emails for much less but I have yet to see a WYSIWYG editor as easy to use as Mailchimp&#x27;s.
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Chirael将近 6 年前
I understand why authors do it, but to me the credibility of a post like this is severely undermined when I see affiliate referral links.
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sosuke将近 6 年前
I really like the popup window for a request to subscribe to the newsletter that says &quot;At least this isn&#x27;t a full screen popup&quot;
dmje将近 6 年前
MailChimp has gone super crappy. It&#x27;s not just the pricing (the whole &quot;we charge for subscribers who aren&#x27;t active&quot; thing is just pure underhand profiteering) but the damn UI is an absolute clusterf<i></i>* too. Finding anything (forms, automation, even the last email you sent) is just awful. I get the &quot;groovy interface with scribbled cartoon&quot; thing in some instances but dammit sometimes you just need to do stuff easily and quickly rather than being wowed by how clever and groovy a company is being with their design.<p>IMO they&#x27;ve gone from &quot;do one thing well&quot; to &quot;do all the things badly&quot;. I&#x27;ve gone from being lifelong MC advocate to someone who is looking for an alternative for our clients.<p>Right now I&#x27;m liking MailerLite. It&#x27;s like MailChimp used to be when it was good.
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whycombagator将近 6 年前
Perhaps it’s gotten better, but sendy for large email lists and campaigns was pretty terrible a few years ago (some lists were &gt; 1m records).<p>Not to mention the delivery rates of SES and overhead of setting up dedicated IPs (if you have that scale).<p>Sendy seemed fine for small workloads, so does SES. The software is decent for the price. But anyone serious about delivery or scale should look beyond Sendy or an SES based tool.<p>There are a whole host of players that are essentially sendy as a SaaS (moonmail, email octopus). From what I’ve heard these are alright. People considering Sendy may wish to look into them<p>I’ve built and used a few products&#x2F;tools that are backed by sendgrid, SES, and mailgun. Overall, I am a fan of sendgrid but understand it’s not a direct replacement for tools like sendy.
sequoia将近 6 年前
&gt; Image, attachment and CSV uploads requires the &#x2F;uploads&#x2F; folder&#x27;s permission to be set to 777.<p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sendy.co&#x2F;get-started" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sendy.co&#x2F;get-started</a> &gt; Step 2<p>Is this really true? Why do uploaded files need to be executable?
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benmanns将近 6 年前
MoonMail[0] is a similar product, but runs via Serverless framework on Lambda and other services on AWS (or their hosted version for $$). I really love the idea but it was a huge hassle to deploy due to many service configurations and different Serverless framework versions. It&#x27;s also somewhat expensive running single tenant due to the minimum cost of running DynamoDB tables and Kinesis streams (even with near 0 usage).<p>0: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;moonmail.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;moonmail.io&#x2F;</a>
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filmgirlcw将近 6 年前
I’ve looked at a lot of these services built atop SES (including Sendy), but the main problem that you still seem to have to spend a lot of time accounting for is not getting marked as spam by clients like Gmail. There are things you can do to help stop this, but it takes a lot of manual intervention.<p>In any event, it’s good stuff like this exists. I would actually be curious to know how many email newsletter services that aren’t one of the big players (Mail Chimp, Adobe, Constant Contact, etc) aren’t just built on SES.
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dave_aiello将近 6 年前
Victor-- you&#x27;ve done the community a service by showing us that There Is More Than One Way To Do It, (TIMTOWTDI) even in the 2019 world of web services.<p>Don&#x27;t let the nitpickers who don&#x27;t like affiliate links get you down. Just keep improving your site and providing useful info like this.<p>I&#x27;m glad to know somebody who went to Princeton is created such a useful site. I live in the area. Maybe I&#x27;ll see you at a Meetup sometime.
kilbuz将近 6 年前
Cutting costs by 100x? What&#x27;s the math on that?
chaostheory将近 6 年前
I switched to MailGun, after MailChimp forced everyone using Mandrill to buy MailChimp. Years afterward, I&#x27;m still happy.
MentallyRetired将近 6 年前
I&#x27;ve been using sendinblue with good success. This author could have used sendinblue and still been in the free plan if he spaced out his newsletter (max 300 emails a day for free).<p>Even the first paid plan at $25 lets you send 40k a month, which is pretty solid. And they have transactional as well as mailing list support.
bnt将近 6 年前
One of the great features of Mailchimp (for us) is the seamless integration with Mandrill. Our Designer creates templates, pushes them to Mandrill and they are immediately used in production when we send out notifications.
matty22将近 6 年前
I mean you could also just use any one of the other 500 different ESPs that don&#x27;t require you to host your own mail server and who have different cost structures than MailChimp, but ok!
kanwisher将近 6 年前
We moved to Drip from Mailchimp since their policies are not great. Drip is far more functional and less then half the price but not quite this cheap
bijant将近 6 年前
Rather than supporting a proprietary product like sendy I would recommend using the far superior civicrm which is fully open source, has a great community around it (not used by marketers and seo-spammer-types but rather by ngo&#x27;s)and is totally extensible to grow with your needs. It is simple to be GDPR compliant by default and is really easy to get started. It obviously has a far bigger scope but you don&#x27;t need to take advantage of all that additional functionality.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;civicrm.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;civicrm.org&#x2F;</a>
countryqt30将近 6 年前
Is he totally confusing 100x with 10x? This is 10x cheaper, not 100x cheaper.
kureikain将近 6 年前
I had a very interesting setup for my news letter[0]. I let Mailchimp handle subscription and unsubscription and deal with spam subscriber, GDPR and the like etc.<p>Then I exported the CSV file and have my script[1] generate email and send it using AWS SES. I paid about $1 per month because my server run outside of AWS. If it were on AWS, then this AWS SES fee will be waived.<p>---<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;betterdev.link" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;betterdev.link</a> [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;yeo&#x2F;betterdev.link&#x2F;blob&#x2F;master&#x2F;baja&#x2F;fanout.go" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;yeo&#x2F;betterdev.link&#x2F;blob&#x2F;master&#x2F;baja&#x2F;fanou...</a>
api将近 6 年前
MailChimp is shockingly expensive.
dbancajas将近 6 年前
question to those who do email marketing. What&#x27;s the income of this look like? you guys pulling in 6-digits per year? how long does it take to build that kind of following?
johnmarcus将近 6 年前
yeah, its like buying shitty instant coffee for 25cents - sure you saved 100x and technically did get coffee, but none of it was enjoyable.<p>p.s. - sendy relies on having a cronjob running, which makes it very ill suited for docker. there are ways to run a sidecontainer in k8s that can do the cron part, but what a giant hassle and waste of running resources. was not a fan.