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Partnering with publishers for a better journalism experience

224 点作者 jrwiegand将近 6 年前

34 条评论

rchaud将近 6 年前
It&#x27;s about time somebody tried this. $5&#x2F;mo. is fair; I don&#x27;t need a million sites to be in the catalog, but I would like a bit more variety eventually.<p>People who complain about &quot;modern journalism&quot;, take note. If this takes off, publications will be less incentivized to post those godawful clickbait articles that have soured the Internet reading experience.<p>I&#x27;ll read the Atlantic and Vox, but Buzzfeed is a no-no, unless it&#x27;s Buzzfeed News. And they should really consider changing the name as a serious news site on a subscription format shouldn&#x27;t be associated with the ad hell that is the regular Bfeed.
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dewey将近 6 年前
In case you are also wondering how that works and what&#x27;s supported.<p>Based on <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.mozilla.org&#x2F;futurereleases&#x2F;2019&#x2F;02&#x2F;25&#x2F;exploring-alternative-funding-models-for-the-web&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.mozilla.org&#x2F;futurereleases&#x2F;2019&#x2F;02&#x2F;25&#x2F;exploring...</a> it looks like it&#x27;s a collaboration with <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;scroll.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;scroll.com&#x2F;</a> and supports sites like:<p>- Vox<p>- The Atlantic<p>- Buzzfeed<p>- Gizmodo<p>- Slate
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SanchoPanda将近 6 年前
I got the following when I tried the link to subscribe:<p>Thank you for your interest in Firefox Ad-free Internet!<p>This product isn&#x27;t available yet, but we&#x27;re working on it. Would you please click the Next button to take a short survey to tell us what you think? At the end of the survey we&#x27;ll get your (optional!) e-mail address so that we can let you know when the Firefox Ad-free Internet beta launches. If you don&#x27;t want to give feedback, click here to skip to the sign-up page.<p>Click the &#x27;Next&#x27; button to take the survey.
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Touche将近 6 年前
This is sort of unfortunate news to me, as I take this as a sign that they won&#x27;t do adblocking by default. I think this is a mistake; users want ads to be blocked. Especially on mobile, where it&#x27;s more important from a perf perspective. Brave has ads blocked, Opera has ads blocked. If Firefox wants to follow the lead and be a privacy focused company like they say, then they need to block ads.
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outime将近 6 年前
Note the following:<p>* This is yet not available.<p>* It&#x27;s not &quot;Ad-Free Internet&quot; but more like &quot;a dozen websites ad-free&quot;.<p>* They expect a monthly payment - which is fine, but the first thing I imagined from the title was a built-in blocker in the browser but this is quite different.
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dreen将近 6 年前
This looks like it&#x27;s a bundling of Scroll into Firefox, probably with different UX. It seems dishonest to me if you&#x27;re gonna say &quot;Ad-Free Internet&quot; and &quot;We share your payment directly with the sites you read&quot; and really only do that for 12 domains. The internet is much bigger than that. Find a way to do this for ALL sites!
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gowthamgts12将近 6 年前
It looks like if you&#x27;re a publisher you&#x27;ve partner up with Mozilla for this. Isn&#x27;t this becoming a little dependent on Mozilla?<p>Publishers are already dependent on Google and if Google wants to screw them over, they can. How is this different from that?
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heinrichhartman将近 6 年前
I welcome this effort! Enabling alternative revenue streams for web content will be critical to make the place less abusive.<p>Unfortunately, the big successful players seem to make pretty good $$ by selling customer data, so they have little incentive to change this.<p>Mozilla&#x2F;Firefox is in a unique position to launch an effort like this, since it controls a decent browsing platform with a significant user base.<p>I&#x27;ll sign up the moment this becomes available in the EU.
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pointillistic将近 6 年前
I think this is a re-branding of Pocket that they own. Same price <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;getpocket.com&#x2F;premium?ep=1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;getpocket.com&#x2F;premium?ep=1</a>
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jimktrains2将近 6 年前
I don&#x27;t understand why credit card networks (and banks in general) haven&#x27;t stepped up their game with regards to micropayments (say, under $5). The marginal cost of any transaction is insignificant, and would be outweighed even by penny fees. Even if it required some extra steps for the vendor to become authorized to accept micropayments, and even with strict requirements around the number or total value of transactions a single card can be used with a single vendor during a time period, I think it could still work in everyone&#x27;s favour.<p>One of the biggest fees on micropayments are the fixed transaction fees. Stripe is currently 27‰ + 5¢, which on a $1 transaction is nearly 8%! If those fixed fees could be made to go away for low-cost transactions, micropayments would work within the current system. Most people can accept 3% overhead, but most won&#x27;t accept 8%.<p>It just seems like the entire problem is manufactured and not really an issue that can be solved until the banking systems just decided to solve it by changing their policies. I&#x27;m not even proposing a technical fix, it really seems to be a problem entirely with the current policies.<p>Edit: yes, I understand that Stripe is a gateway and processor, not an issuer or network, and that banks are often issures, but not the network. Yes, I understand that cards each have their own interchange rates, but many gateways like stripe have been just &quot;averaging&quot; them to provide low-volume retailers a fixed, predicable coat per transaction. I&#x27;m just saying that if the networks. E.g. Visa or MasterCard (or even discover or Amex despite being much smaller) could change their policies and requirements regarding fees for low volume transactions to remove fixed fees, and the vast majority of the issue with micropayments would be solved. I trust that the major payment gateways and browsers could work out a protocol to make use credit-card based micropayments very quickly and in a way that doesn&#x27;t require additional third parties, beyond the payment gateway chosen by the person accepting the micropayment.
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fimdomeio将近 6 年前
Unless this is expanded to enable any site to join the system, one might argue it&#x27;s creating a special web for a few choosen giant media sites which I guess it&#x27;s not what mozilla wants for the web.
jbverschoor将近 6 年前
Yeah nice and all.. But it&#x27;ll be like tv: Even though you pay for the tv service, after a while they will simply put in ads again. The incentives for publishers are simply too tempting.<p>This is not for me.
jelv将近 6 年前
So a browser with a build in Flattr &#x2F; Patreon &#x2F; Liberapay option. Sounds like a good option.
silon42将近 6 年前
Personally, I don&#x27;t necessarily mind ads, unless intrusive. I mind: - tracking - javascript being used everywhere (IMO, for pure viewing, javascript should be optional).
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matt_morgan将近 6 年前
Mozilla has to do this to show they&#x27;re trying. They&#x27;re not just about getting everything free. It will be good if it works, but it also works for them if<p>a) no publishers sign up<p>b) no customers sign up<p>(as long as they try hard to make it happen).
curt15将近 6 年前
Anyone remember Google Contributor back in the day? How does this compare?
d2wa将近 6 年前
If you’re interested in this, make sure to check out Flattr and install their extension. It tracks your browsing over the course of a month, splits your monthly contribution among participating creators you’ve visited, and then deletes the collected data. Works for YouTube, domains, Twitter, GitHub, Twitch, and more. You set the monthly budget. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;flattr.com&#x2F;contributors" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;flattr.com&#x2F;contributors</a>
nottorp将近 6 年前
This is a nice idea, but how do you expand it to global scale? Something automated perhaps, but the complexity is overwhelming.<p>I have no interest in Firefox&#x27;s initial selection, but I&#x27;d gladly pay a monthly subscription to a collection of <i>my</i> local news sites.<p>How do we go from 5 american &quot;online magazines&quot; to a global network? I don&#x27;t know.
MrGilbert将近 6 年前
I wonder what an average user generates in terms of ad-revenue per month. You know, the mix of your-favourite-media-provider, your-favourite-news-sites, your-favourite-social-media.<p>If that&#x27;s more or less than $14.99, I&#x27;d be willing to pay it for an &quot;ad-free&quot; internet. This will never happen, I guess, but just thinking about it...
camgunz将近 6 年前
I&#x27;m super into this, and I was tempted to sign up immediately. But then I realized I have privacy&#x2F;tracking concerns; does anyone have a line on what Scroll&#x2F;Mozilla say on this? I couldn&#x27;t find anything after a (very shallow) search.
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WAHa_06x36将近 6 年前
That survey they throw at you if you try to sign up is just complete and utter garbage, and asks you questions that both contradict each other, are in the wrong order, and ask you things you can&#x27;t possibly have a good answer for at this stage.
eitland将近 6 年前
Signed up.<p>That said, this is a practical implementation of some patterns that belongs on <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;userinyerface.com&#x2F;game.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;userinyerface.com&#x2F;game.html</a> ;-)
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buboard将近 6 年前
Everybody is talking about journalists but what about the rest of the web? I regularly read the best opinions and tidbits on forums like hn and blogs. Who is going to fund those?
d2wa将近 6 年前
This won’t do much good for all the small publishers you visit every day, though. It’s only for a select few large publishers.
tshanmu将近 6 年前
this would be great if it works as advertised! :D
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ing33k将近 6 年前
so Firefox will play the gatekeeper role now ?
juliushuijnk将近 6 年前
Alternative: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;launch.blendle.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;launch.blendle.com</a>
hereme888将近 6 年前
If they offer free trials so I can evaluate its worth to me personally, maybe I&#x27;d try it. Otherwise I&#x27;ll keep fighting every website I visit with my massive list of ad-blockers and privacy tools. At least the latter option is free. And if it doesn&#x27;t remove EVERY clickbait and dark pattern in said sites, I won&#x27;t do it.
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mikkelam将近 6 年前
If the same service could be used for paywalled news sites as well, this could be great
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OrgNet将近 6 年前
Are you going to get a report each month of where the money went?
trqx将近 6 年前
&gt; This app works best with JavaScript enabled. At least the page seems ad-free.
carapace将近 6 年前
&gt; This app works best with JavaScript enabled.
jasode将近 6 年前
As others stated, the submitted title of <i>&quot;Ad-Free Internet by Firefox&quot;</i> overstates what this actually is: pay $4.99&#x2F;month for ad-free experience on a handful of media publishers&#x27; websites[1].<p>(I.e. it&#x27;s not a universal ad blocker that lets you avoid ads on Youtube.)<p>The Firefox webpage itself doesn&#x27;t oversell the feature as <i>&quot;ad-free internet&quot;</i> so not sure why writing a misleading title for HN was necessary.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;scroll.com&#x2F;sites" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;scroll.com&#x2F;sites</a><p>(Edit to also mention Scroll doesn&#x27;t have some popular news sites such as NYT, Washington Post, WSJ, etc -- probably because getting a fraction of $4.99&#x2F;month is not enough money for them and it competes with their direct digital subscriptions.)
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ekc将近 6 年前
If only they&#x27;d check their pages for typos before posting. (No ending punctuation on the last block of text.)