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“Evidence-based medicine has been hijacked”: John Ioannidis (2016)

209 点作者 ajna91将近 6 年前

12 条评论

ekianjo将近 6 年前
&gt; The sales and marketing departments in most companies are more powerful than their R&amp;D departments.<p>Yes, this is correct.<p>&gt; Hence, the design, conduct, reporting, and dissemination of this clinical evidence becomes an advertisement tool.<p>This does not follow well logically. The design of clinical trials still belongs to R&amp;D and not Marketing&#x2F;Sales departments. Even if Marketing&#x2F;Sales want to target for a specific outcome, there is nothing saying that this particular outcome will be met until you actually try it clinically. And specific outcomes are usually desirable outcomes: for example, showing that your drug is non just superior to placebo, but superior to the current best-in-class treatment. Or measuring patient-related outcomes that are tied to economic value (for example, making a patient recover faster has tangible societal benefits - they can come back to work, be an active family member, etc...) is also relevant these days.<p>So, there is not a strong link between &quot;pushing for an outcome that you can advertise&quot; and &quot;this outcome being clinically meaningless&quot;. If it were meaningless, FDAs and other regulatory bodies would not even accept it during the clinical trial design review phase.<p>&gt; As for basic research<p>Basic research should be the responsibility of academics, not companies. And they do. But not many academics focus on &quot;checking whether what we have been using for 20 years really works&quot;, there&#x27;s too much priority on new clinical targets.
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newcrobuzon将近 6 年前
It is a sad reality that some of the regulatory agencies have been captured by the industry groups. This is especially concerning in healthcare and pharma industry. Take for example Vioxx and Opioid issues: Merck Manipulated the Science about the Drug Vioxx - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ucsusa.org&#x2F;manipulating-science-about-drug-vioxx" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ucsusa.org&#x2F;manipulating-science-about-drug-vioxx</a> Purdue infiltrated WHO, manipulated opioid policies to boost sales, report finds - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;2019&#x2F;05&#x2F;world-health-organization-parroted-purdues-deceptive-opioid-claims-report-says&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;arstechnica.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;2019&#x2F;05&#x2F;world-health-organiz...</a><p>Yet it is still surprising to see that on HN in general anyone questioning safety of pharmaceutical products get downvoted into oblivion.
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lez将近 6 年前
He is a spiritual brother of Dr. Peter Gøtzsche, who is also very clearly describing the corruption going on in the medical sciences.<p>He made simple statistical analysis to prove certain drugs like antidepressants causing side effects &#x2F; death. His findings ignored, he was removed from his leading position from Cochrane Collaboration.<p>Videos: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=dozpAshvtsA" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=dozpAshvtsA</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=UVHSpQ9PbSs" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=UVHSpQ9PbSs</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=G2mFHHWyTrc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=G2mFHHWyTrc</a>
nordsieck将近 6 年前
It looks like he gave a 30 minute talk [0] on this paper.<p>___<p>0. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=N63skNtYaJw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=N63skNtYaJw</a>
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nkurz将近 6 年前
Here&#x27;s the underlying paper that the article is about:<p>Evidence-based medicine has been hijacked: a report to David Sackett (2016)<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;sci-hub.tw&#x2F;10.1016&#x2F;j.jclinepi.2016.02.012" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;sci-hub.tw&#x2F;10.1016&#x2F;j.jclinepi.2016.02.012</a>
outlace将近 6 年前
There wasn’t a lot of substance in this article, would have to read Dr. Ioannidis’ referenced papers to actually understand his point.
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cneurotic将近 6 年前
Dubious evidence in medical studies is a big problem.<p>But I&#x27;d argue that it&#x27;s only the core of the issue. The second layer out — and I think the more influential layer — is the JOURNALISM surrounding these medical studies.<p>Even if the underlying science is sound, a lot of outlets and reporters routinely (and sometimes willfully) get the facts wrong.<p>I attended a talk with Retraction Watch&#x27;s Ivan Oransky, where he spelled out how easy it is for well-intentioned journalists to exaggerate, over-generalize, or misunderstand what a study says. It was eye-opening. And a little frightening.
dbt00将近 6 年前
(2016)
pessimizer将近 6 年前
&gt; JI: A systematic review that combines biased pieces of evidence may unfortunately give another seal of authority to that biased evidence.<p>Basically the same problem as CDOs.
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EGreg将近 6 年前
There is a much bigger problem in the methodology, which is why meta studies won’t be the last word on it either<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;slatestarcodex.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;04&#x2F;28&#x2F;the-control-group-is-out-of-control&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;slatestarcodex.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;04&#x2F;28&#x2F;the-control-group-is-o...</a>
qrbLPHiKpiux将近 6 年前
Case-in-point:<p>Perdue Pharma, Oxycontin
jshowa3将近 6 年前
After reading the interview, it sounds like a lot of scare mongering about bias without actually identifying specific things that are wrong with specific examples. Sure, it&#x27;s nice to be looking for these issues, but people obviously have different opinions on what biases produce poor results and if biases are actually necessary and helpful.