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How Norway turns criminals into good neighbours

51 点作者 jentulman将近 6 年前

6 条评论

vikingcaffiene将近 6 年前
I’ve read about this place on several different occasions. It fits with my world view of what criminal justice reform should look like.<p>Sadly, in the US (where I live) this would never fly. We are a people of violence and revenge and want those who’ve done us wrong to suffer. It doesn’t matter that it perpetuates a cycle. Even if a miracle happened and a place like this was brought into existence, some politician would start using it to score cheap shots. “Look what $party_name is doing! Sending rapists and murderers to a health spa!! I’m TOUGH on crime! I’ll end this!!”<p>I suppose I would have a hard time swallowing someone who killed a love one of mine getting to do yoga in the woods too. Dunno.
MarkMc将近 6 年前
<i>Norway also has the world’s lowest recidivism rate at 20 percent, while America sees 75 percent of its prisoners re-offend within five years of release.</i> [0]<p>It&#x27;s interesting that in the U.S. many people champion the power of incentives to produce goods and services efficiently yet are blind to the perverse incentives of having privately-run prisons. Of course a corporation whose profit comes from running prisons does not want to reduce the recidivism rate.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.encartele.net&#x2F;2018&#x2F;04&#x2F;what-can-us-correctional-facilities-learn-from-scandinavian-jails&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.encartele.net&#x2F;2018&#x2F;04&#x2F;what-can-us-correctional-f...</a>
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steve19将近 6 年前
I tried to find the recidivism rate of criminals who serve time in US Federal prison camps (lowest security federal prisons). Does anyone know how to find it?
badrabbit将近 6 年前
Bit of an unpopular opinion here: either you have a criminal correction system or a justice system or a hybrid of the two. My unpopular opinion is that if justice is to be administered in any shape or form it supersedes the need to correct a criminal.<p>I am sure many here will agree with &quot;Ends don&#x27;t justify means&quot;. That goes both ways,the end goal of rehabilitating a criminal does not justify the means.<p>To me justice means to correct a wrong done. Someone did some wrong therefore a fairly measured punishment is given so that the wrong doer suffers and&#x2F;or makes up for their wrong actions. It is this idea that when someone commits a wrong they are indebted for that wrong. It does not have to be a criminal situation, when you see someone suffer and offer help, you saw wrong and attempted to correct it,you attempted to administer justice even though there was no criminal.<p>Now, a debt can be forgiven but it must be explicit. I understand and can accept mercy being shown to anyone. The core of my disagreement here is portrayal of justice to mean correction and rehabilitation of the wrongdoer. In the eyes of justice, the debt being paid is all that counts. If rehabilitation is a priority to a society, mercy needs to be explicitly shown,it should not be done in a way that waters down justice to where we say &quot;you owe this much but due to the end result we will only accept so much repayment of wrongs from you&quot;,you&#x27;re saying the unpaid debt is ignored,not forgiven. if there is a victim,the victim should also have a say.<p>I hope I wasn&#x27;t all over the place with my comment. All in all, I am mostly displeased with the end result being the focus here. I do need good neighbors but not at the cost of graying-down justice.
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cybersnowflake将近 6 年前
The ugly truth is a lot of &#x27;benefits&#x27; of the scandanavian approach come from a highly (for now) homogenous society and an extreme reluctance to imprison or even pursue certain crimes that would be unacceptable anywhere else. Combined with being caught hiding data such as demographic information I&#x27;d take any fellation of scandanavian policy with a grain of salt. I assume the community here considers themselves logically minded so just ask yourself this. If this approach is as miraculous as its put forth to be why hasn&#x27;t it ever reached as widespread implementation not just in evil America but anywhere in the world? The concept of rehabilitative imprisonment is almost as old as imprisonment itself.
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rofo1将近 6 年前
&gt; &quot;In Norway, the punishment is just to take away someone&#x27;s liberty. The other rights stay. Prisoners can vote, they can have access to school, to health care; they have the same rights as any Norwegian citizen. Because inmates are human beings. They have done wrong, they must be punished, but they are still human beings.&quot; &gt; &quot;In Norway, all will be released - there are no life sentences,&quot; he reminds me.<p>Really? Even with this low recidivism rate, I find this hard to accept somehow.<p>I don&#x27;t even think deranged people like serial killers and pedophile rapists can change.<p>Even if they could theoretically change, why would we accept them back in society and spend any resources on them after they did that?<p>That doesn&#x27;t make us more human. We are redefining &#x27;humanity&#x27; to match our politics. But we have evolved over millions of years. Those two things can&#x27;t coexist.<p>(edit: removed a paragraph, it was kinda OT)
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