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Berkeley becomes first US city to ban natural gas in new homes

22 点作者 turtlegrids将近 6 年前

8 条评论

mochomocha将近 6 年前
I present you the latest NIMBY measure under an environmental pretense! Brought to you by Berkeley of course.<p>If they care so much about the environmental impact of natural gas, how about grandfathering the measure to their own houses VS the tiny fraction of new housing that gets built every year in Berkeley?<p>How about <i>not</i> making the new generation living in the Bay Area pay the burden of a housing-related policy for once?
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drewcon将近 6 年前
This makes no sense to me. Explain where I have this wrong...<p>47% of electricity in California is generated from natural gas.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ww2.energy.ca.gov&#x2F;almanac&#x2F;electricity_data&#x2F;total_system_power.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ww2.energy.ca.gov&#x2F;almanac&#x2F;electricity_data&#x2F;total_sys...</a><p>So about 50% of the electricity in these houses is coming from a gas that gets burned to turn a turbine to make electricity (and waste heat) that gets sent down a power line (where some is invariably lost) to go into a house where the electricity is then turned back into heat (presumably for hot water and heating the home)?<p>How is this more efficient than just burning NG for heat directly?<p>I could understand banning coal burners from homes (if we had any left), as I believe China is trying to do, but this seems like it will require more energy not less (yes I realize its a tiny scale).
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FourierTformed将近 6 年前
I hate cooking with electricity, can&#x27;t make a decent stir fry with it, changing the temperature takes a long time. How much of an impact does this make to a person&#x27;s carbon footprint?
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babesh将近 6 年前
These new houses will probably be at least as expensive as the average house there just due to the nature of single family houses in the Bay Area.<p>Cooking during the whole year and heating during the winter will cost more. Those winter months will be hundreds of dollars more (possibly hundreds of dollars more per month).<p>The people living in these places can probably afford it just due to them being able to buy the house itself.<p>Makes better insulation, solar panels, and houses designed to soak in heat if desired more attractive.
Gibbon1将近 6 年前
Non adware&#x2F;spyware article<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.berkeleyside.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;07&#x2F;17&#x2F;natural-gas-pipes-now-banned-in-new-berkeley-buildings-with-some-exceptions" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.berkeleyside.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;07&#x2F;17&#x2F;natural-gas-pipes-no...</a>
siruncledrew将近 6 年前
Are there occasions where having natural gas available in a house would be essential?<p>Aside from an apartment that had a gas stove and gas-powered water heater, the houses I&#x27;ve lived in always had all-electric, and the overall experiential difference between the two circumstances was unremarkable (in my opinion).<p>Hot water worked fine with either a gas or electric water heater, and the stove was really the only &quot;daily-use&quot; item that had an obvious difference, but the functionality was fine either way (stuff still got hot on top the burners or in the oven). If I specifically wanted an actual gas flame for cooking, I just used a $20 tabletop camping grill with a small propane tank. This &quot;adjustment&quot; was a very minimal effort way to deal with not having gas pipes.<p>Overall, if not having natural gas saves infrastructure costs (and tax dollars) from being spent maintaining natural gas pipes, and also removes any need to worry about carbon monoxide and having detectors installed, then this seems like not a big deal to adjust to.
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wtdata将近 6 年前
I don&#x27;t get it, how do you warm the water? I know you can have an electric heater that keeps a certain amount of water hot all the time. But isn&#x27;t that vastly more wasteful than just quickly warming the water you are using by burning it using gas?
jpeg_hero将近 6 年前
What about the wok?