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Carthago delenda est

64 点作者 kwikiel将近 6 年前

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FabHK将近 6 年前
Cato&#x27;s famous phrase, &quot;Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam&quot;, is feared for its grammar, but it is quite expressive and not really that hard. It is a combination of two constructions: ACI, Accusativus cum infinitivo, which also exists in English, sort of: I see he swims or I see him swimming (in Latin it would be &quot;I see him to swim&quot;) = I see that he swims. The other thing is the gerundive, which expresses an obligation. Sounds complicated, but it really isn&#x27;t - same thing as English &quot;This is to be done&quot; meaning &quot;This ought to be done&quot;.<p>Now, in Latin, the ACI construction can be done with many verbs, not only &quot;to see&quot; (&quot;I see him swimming&quot;) but also with &quot;censeo&quot;, or &quot;I opine, think&quot; (&quot;I opine him swimming&quot; - I think he swims.) Next, throw in a cool &quot;Ceterum&quot; = by the way, and combine this with the obligation of the gerundive, and we get:<p><i>Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam</i> =<p>&quot;By the way, I think that Carthago is to be eliminated.&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Accusative_and_infinitive" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Accusative_and_infinitive</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Gerundive" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Gerundive</a>
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alasdair_将近 6 年前
Also notable for Mark Zuckerberg&#x27;s use of the phrase repeatedly in emails to exhort his employees to ensure Google Plus didn&#x27;t happen. See <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vanityfair.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2016&#x2F;06&#x2F;how-mark-zuckerberg-led-facebooks-war-to-crush-google-plus" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.vanityfair.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;2016&#x2F;06&#x2F;how-mark-zuckerberg-...</a>
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tomlockwood将近 6 年前
It&#x27;s probably worth noting - and I&#x27;m surprised it isn&#x27;t mentioned in the article - that almost 100 years after the razing of Carthage, the enmity between Rome and Carthage is mythologised in Virgil&#x27;s Aeneid. In that epic poem, its said that the people of Carthage swore to either destroy or be destroyed by the &quot;heirs of Aeneas&quot; aka the proto-Romans. This epic revisionism is not a singular act in history but instead one I feel we must be wary of even in the present. I see similar narratives forming about bastions of the &quot;west&quot; constantly assailed by the barbarians just outside the gates.
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lspears将近 6 年前
If you haven&#x27;t checked out the hardcore history podcasts I recommend doing so. The punic war episodes are particularly good.
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davidpaulyoung将近 6 年前
It was uttered because the practice Carthage of sacrificing children to Baal was horrific to Cato... (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;2014&#x2F;jan&#x2F;21&#x2F;carthaginians-sacrificed-own-children-study" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;science&#x2F;2014&#x2F;jan&#x2F;21&#x2F;carthaginian...</a>)
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neferbast将近 6 年前
Especially if Dido back-stabs you, and she always does.<p>Jokes aside, the youtube channel Invicta has some good material on the punic wars, he uses the game total war to illustrate everything. There are a few minor mistakes there, and he only covers the first punic war, but still it&#x27;s some good material.
romaaeterna将近 6 年前
Plutarch&#x27;s version, δοκεῖ δέ μοι καὶ Καρχηδόνα μὴ εἶναι is closest to Ceterum censeo Carthaginem delendam esse.<p>The biggest difference is that &quot;μὴ εἶναι&quot; isn&#x27;t quite equivalent to &quot;delendam esse&quot;.<p>The John Bolton of ancient Rome.
ken将近 6 年前
Not exactly news. Mods, can we get a “150 BCE” on the title?
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jhallenworld将近 6 年前
&quot;The First Genocide&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;cd=15&amp;ved=2ahUKEwi97pfficXjAhUswlkKHdg5DRIQFjAOegQICBAC&amp;url=https%3A%2F%2Fgsp.yale.edu%2Fsites%2Fdefault%2Ffiles%2Ffirst_genocide.pdf&amp;usg=AOvVaw1y3gd5ymM6LdZ07JOaxcFV" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=&amp;esrc=s&amp;source=web&amp;c...</a>
afinlayson将近 6 年前
I like Cocoapods, but I don&#x27;t think we should destroy it :p
masonic将近 6 年前
ROMANES EUNT DOMUS [0]<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=IIAdHEwiAy8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=IIAdHEwiAy8</a>
FabHK将近 6 年前
Ok, slightly off-topic, but here goes - a great piece of music:<p>So, the Romans finally destroyed Carthago (took them a while, Punic war 1, 2, and 3), with Cato egging them on (&quot;Ceterum censeo Carthaginem esse delendam&quot;).<p>(I find it interesting for two reasons: 1. Alternative history - what if Carthago (Hannibal) had won?? 2. The Roman general who defeated Hannibal, Quintus Fabius Maximus Cunctator a) is my namesake :-) and b) won by... doing not much, just staying away and picking up the pieces (cunctator = &quot;the delayer, doubter&quot;). &quot;Cunctator&quot; is not as sexy as &quot;Terminator&quot;, but he turned out effective nonetheless.)<p>But next, so Virgil&#x27;s Aneid has Aneas visit Carthage, in particular the queen Dido, and they fall in love, but then he, duty bound, leaves (clandestinely at night), to found Rome. She, crestfallen, commits suicide (after predicting eternal strife between Aeneas&#x27;s people (Rome) and hers (Carthage)).<p>This was set to music by English composer Purcell in <i>Dido and Aneas</i>, with the famous piece &quot;Dido&#x27;s Lament&quot; - she sings before committing suicide:<p>When I am laid &#x2F;&#x2F; am laid in earth, may my wrongs create &#x2F;&#x2F; No trouble, no trouble in &#x2F;&#x2F; in thy breast Remember me, remember me, &#x2F;&#x2F; but ah! forget my fate. Remember me, but ah! &#x2F;&#x2F; forget my fate.&quot;<p>The piece is brilliant - a simple underlying musical structure (Passacaglia - a constant repeated bass line) with her heart-felt lament. Check out the versions linked below (YouTube links), by Jeff Buckley or Janet Baker or Jessye Norman or any other. I mean, this did <i>not</i> happen, and 2500+ years ago, but still can make you tear up today.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Punic_Wars" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Punic_Wars</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Aeneid" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Aeneid</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Hannibal" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Hannibal</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Quintus_Fabius_Maximus_Verrucosus" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Quintus_Fabius_Maximus_Verruco...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=sA5UAbl1OWY" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=sA5UAbl1OWY</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=jOIAi2XwuWo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=jOIAi2XwuWo</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=D_50zj7J50U" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=D_50zj7J50U</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Dido%27s_Lament" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Dido%27s_Lament</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Passacaglia" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Passacaglia</a>