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How is it like to be a dev in Iran

745 点作者 daanavitch将近 6 年前

42 条评论

misingnoglic将近 6 年前
My heart breaks for these devs. I&#x27;ve been able to launch a successful development career specifically because I was born in the US (and my parents left Iran). If I was the same person in a different geographic area I&#x27;d be struggling under sanctions.<p>Companies definitely need to push back on extra egregious legal teams who want to block services Iran, as it&#x27;s mostly paranoia and not that the services actually fall under the jurisdiction of our sanctions. I know amazing people at Google who are doing this work, and I hope others at other companies do the same.
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throwaway-ba9将近 6 年前
Throwaway account for obvious reasons.<p>I&#x27;m one of those operations people who have been required by a legal department to block access from sanctioned countries - I&#x27;ve literally written the HTTP rules to deny access to folks like the original author.<p>I think about how the infrastructure I write and operate creates situations like these, and while I know I&#x27;m partly to blame, it&#x27;s worth highlighting that this is a by-product of United Stats policies that create pressure on US companies. I&#x27;m most certainly _not_ a lawyer, but if this sort of thing bothers you, be cognizant of candidate policies about technology if you want to help enact change - because I doubt most companies will provide services to these and other regions if it&#x27;ll break export law.
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jasonhansel将近 6 年前
&gt; not all servers like to get traffik from TOR. For instance, CloudFlare annoys when you are accessing its servers through TOR.<p><i>This</i> is why you shouldn&#x27;t ban Tor. In some places, it is absolutely necessary.
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mariojv将近 6 年前
I was a little surprised that Docker even returns text indicating why the request was blocked with the 403 status code. I wonder if there are any services trying to comply with sanctions in this way that are using response code 451 (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;HTTP_451" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;HTTP_451</a>)....
milemi将近 6 年前
I can’t think of a historical example of economic sanctions even moving the situation toward the putative goal of regime change in the target country, let alone achieving that goal.<p>I’ve lived under UN sanctions imposed on Serbia under Milosevic regime during the nineties. Two things happen: 1) people in the regime leadership don’t suffer 2) the little people who do suffer feel attacked and rally around the leader. Pretty much the opposite of what the sanctions ostensibly aim to achieve.<p>This same dynamic played out in Cuba, North Korea, Iran, you name it, for decades with no good effect.<p>What brought Milosevic regime down was the aerial NATO assault and its aftermath, not the sanctions.<p>As far as I can tell sanctions are a way for US politicians (they may be imposed by all the western countries, but I can’t think of an example where US wasn’t the leader) to look like they are punishing the offending country without going to war. They just don’t seem to work.
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rb808将近 6 年前
The modern computer world is so interwoven in the internet now. It was only 20 years ago when every company I worked had physical computers, no internet access (except email) and every piece of software had to be installed from CD.<p>I wonder if&#x2F;when a big war or disaster occurs much of our computer world will just break. We&#x27;ve built an extremely fragile system now.
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pizza将近 6 年前
Effects of sanctions totally slide off the elite and shit all over the poorest members of a society.
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knowThySelfx将近 6 年前
I do not know how others feel. But I feel resentment towards embargoes (and calling their poodle countries to follow suite) placed on other countries just because they don&#x27;t tow your line. Going to Iran&#x27;s backyard and threatening them and then cry when they retaliate (a pretext to start war)...its so...pathetic. In fact most of the 20th century wars were started using this kind of baiting.
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schpaencoder将近 6 年前
I feel for you and I know that normal people are always the victims of sanctions, not the privileged and rich. I hope one day your people will be free. Sincerely.
Iv将近 6 年前
Am I the only one to see this as a positive side effect of sanctions?<p>Now Iranians have a legitimate reason to use TOR: bypassing sanctions. Turns out it allows them to bypass censorship as well and brings more people into the Tor network.
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steve19将近 6 年前
&quot;People are dying due to absence of medicines. People are starving. The economy system is falling apart and the politicians and their children are all abroad! None of them have any sense about what is going on the streets.&quot;<p>That is not what we (the West) are hearing in mainstream media.<p>Edit: I may well be wrong on this as others have pointed out.
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nasir将近 6 年前
Ten years ago when I still lived in Iran I was a wizard working my way around the &quot;filternet&quot;. I had even taught my mom to setup a socks proxy through an SSH tunnel!
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nixgeek将近 6 年前
Seems like it could be dangerous just to blog about these activities if you live in Iran?
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smnrchrds将近 6 年前
Dear devs,<p>Please stop using Google Cloud Platform to host your projects.<p>GCP blocks Iran, so by hosting any part of the app on GCP, your apps become impossible to access from Iran. Azure and AWS do not do this. This form of blocking is exclusive to GCP.<p>After the switch to GCP, Iranians lost access to gitlab. Firefox Monitor is blocked in Iran for the same reason. The list goes on and on.<p>I don&#x27;t believe Mozilla team for example has consciously decided to block Iran, just that their devs do not know about Google&#x27;s policy regarding Iran. I hope all devs learn about this fact, so they make informed decisions when choosing cloud platforms.
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mpoloton将近 6 年前
Definition of terrorism according to Wikipedia:<p>&quot;Terrorism is, in the broadest sense, the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror among masses of people; or fear to achieve a religious or political aim.&quot;<p>How economic sanctions and maximum pressure different from terrorism? Putting a lot of pressure and pain on ordinary people to achieve political goal, which in this case is surrender of Iran. This is economic terrorism, plain and simple.
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ALittleLight将近 6 年前
It seems like some of those obstacles are also opportunities. For example, the point about not being able to get a MasterCard or Visa and therefore not being able to use AWS makes me think there&#x27;s probably an opportunity for a neat business renting out VMs to Iranians with whatever payment they can use.<p>Of course AWS does a lot more than just rent VMs, but it seems like a relatively straightforward part of the business to copy.
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ilaksh将近 6 年前
Its an ongoing war. Just without bullets. My concern is that people will see him mention things like censorship and for them that will justify an invasion that results in mass killing and destruction.<p>Does anyone know exactly what sort of actual submission they are looking for from Iran? I really don&#x27;t believe its about nuclear development.<p>I hope that any Iranians who can get out will get out.
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gdfasfklshg4将近 6 年前
I notice that doubleclick won&#x27;t serve to Iran. A very small silver lining to the huge black cloud of sanctions...
reilly3000将近 6 年前
There are full data sets out there of stack overflow and Wikipedia, etc. After reading this I’d love to get that in the hands of more Iranians and others. It’s most likely not illegal to deliver the actual data as long as its not via the web.
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tehjoker将近 6 年前
While the Iranian regime is somewhat less than perfect, the US has no business interfering in that region. The establishment reason for tensions is to protect (nuclear armed) Israel and oil (with some other knock on oil based relationships like SA). Guess what though, Israel has nukes and we desperately need to stop using oil as soon as possible. Why not just drop sanctions and stop tearing up perfectly good nuclear deals?
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asdojasdosadsa将近 6 年前
Wow. Reading this felt like a continuous nightmare, can&#x27;t image living in such a restricted country. Very enlightening read, thanks for sharing!
aerovistae将近 6 年前
This is so sad to read.
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sytelus将近 6 年前
Few things I learned recently: Iran is cut off from all international banking, wire transfer, SWIFT etc. This means Iran must pay by hard cold cash for everything. Sometime cash is sent in shipping container! Iran had few countries helping for export import like Russia, North Korea and few 3rd world countries. Recently Trump administrators have tighten up screw so much on this that any company found to be doing transactions is also then cut off from International banking system. US now tracks all ships going around Iran, runs audits on them and enforces sanctions. Countries like Saudi Arabia is also top enemy of Iran which puts additional pressure on other countries for sanctions. I can’t imagine how average tech savvy person would be able to survive in Iran.
sansnomme将近 6 年前
Any DApp developer&#x2F;startup care to comment on this? Blockchain&#x2F;distributed ledger is often touted to be resilient against attacks, censorship resistant etc. etc. blah blah blah, so how well will they function against the will of the United States?<p>@muneeb? @perlin-network?
nickleefly将近 6 年前
I&#x27;m sure you heard of China GFW, We have strict censorship too, especially during some event, we have used shadowsocks, v2ray. Lots of users reported tcp packet was dropped, but you can use shadowsocks with v2ray-plugin, or v2ray https over cdn
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domrdy将近 6 年前
Has anyone here managed to hire people from Iran? Our immigration lawyer told us it would take more than a year to even get an appointment at the embassy - I&#x27;ve tried calling multiple times and ultimately gave up. We&#x27;re in Europe. It sucked because we had a few promising candidates. If you happen to have any special insight &#x2F; loop holes that you are willing to share with me over email, I would really appreciate it.
throwaway-76727将近 6 年前
Has anyone ever heard of a charity fund for buying VPN access for people in repressive, low-income countries?<p>NordVPN is 2.62 EUR per month right now for a 3 year plan. It seems like a lot of good could be done for not much money.
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fabrika将近 6 年前
&quot;Even in US we can find certain domains which are blocked and cannot be accessed like those which contain CP or wild anti-humanism contents.&quot;<p>Is it true? I always assumed US never blocks access to websites. They would rather ask the hosting provider to take down the website or try to arrest the author.
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codedokode将近 6 年前
Blocking access to documentation is too much, I think. Sanctions do not require to block any access to the site from countries under sanctions.
byron_fast将近 6 年前
Forcing HTTPS apparently doesn&#x27;t help people who could benefit from privacy. You don&#x27;t <i>really</i> need privacy to learn to code.
throwaway-29510将近 6 年前
I worked for quite some time as a network engineer in a Syrian company.<p>I&#x27;ll be honest here, sanctions only slows the internet down because of the VPN overhead, so does the government with its stupid proxies and single point of connection for the whole country, but is it stopping us from doing our job? no.<p>Censorship: Back in 2010-2011, just before the revolution, ADSL subs were growing fast, government censorship getting tighter. Facebook, Youtube, even Amazon (they don&#x27;t deliver to Syria tho), are banned. With more websites adopting ssl and people getting more educated about its benefits, government started doing Man-in-the-middle attacks causing the red ugly warning. Fortunately, that didn&#x27;t last too long, thanks to free VPN services(yes we gave up privacy to foreign firms, to escape local censorship), I believe the government saw that it&#x27;s attacks are causing people to be more aware of their security rather than helping it in identifying and arresting activists. Luckily most websites use https now. Until recently we didn&#x27;t have a local ban issue since all the block was done by local forwarding proxies configured to filter certain domains, and only plain http traffic was processed there. I remember seeing Blue Coat hardware being used in some official departments, not sure though if this was used on a larger scale. That was the way to block things, in addition to blocking a few dozens of IP addresses. Now government is trying to tighten the censorship on messaging and VoIP apps to raise the profit for local telecom companies, which are (surprise!) largely owned indirectly by the president through loyal (shadow?) businessmen. They have blocked most connections to Whatsapp and Facebook Messenger, their method is not perfect, but most of the people are using proxies like psiphon or even getting a paid subscription. They will probably try to block the proxies too in the coming years (they are very slow tbh). I heard that they are promoting local VPN services, but didn&#x27;t find anything relevant, though it&#x27;s highly possible like the Iranian case.<p>Sanctions: It&#x27;s a real pain, especially when it comes to payment, but thanks to diaspora and UAE (which serves the main breathing point for the Syrian companies to avoid sanctions), we have a way to pay for and buy stuff. Now comes the online services, which are blocked by US based companies. We&#x27;re still using proxies for most of the services, but since few years, most ISPs started implementing their own remote proxy service outside of Syria and passing them some traffic, thus unblocking some services like Apple Store, Google Play, and even Snapchat. But for us devs we still have to use proxies to access AWS, GCP (and everything hosted there), Docker, Bitbucket, Gitlab, everything related to android dev, and many other services. Can the government unblock these to help locals do their work? yes. Will they? probably no, they don&#x27;t need to do so. Since they can get to Dubai or Paris and enjoy their time there it&#x27;s all fine. BTW, some people who can afford to live quite a luxurious life have Netflix subscriptions.<p>Tor? haven&#x27;t used it since the early days of the revolution. Bad network connection with our crappy infrastructure makes tor dead slow.<p>Personal Opinion: sanctions or not, foreign companies who want to work in Syria, or Syrian companies that want to work for foreign clients, both found ways to bypass it. We have German companies employing Syrians, I worked for a British firm last year. After all, who wouldn&#x27;t prefer to pay someone $400&#x2F;mo to get work done than say $1500&#x2F;mo? not to mention insurance and taxes. Same for locals, even $300&#x2F;mo is still very good compared to what most companies offer, for an IT guy at least. Finally, we need a new democratic Syria, by helping Syrians people take the lead and rule themselves freely, weakening Assad&#x27;s family grip, but the government and its strongmen are finding their way to bypass sanctions, so do sanctions really help or are they only affecting the poor? I have mixed feeling. But had the sanctions been meant to help Syrians, they would have confiscated Assad&#x27;s family and their loyalist crimes supporters billions in the West.
majortennis将近 6 年前
What is it like, not how is it like, you could say how was it like. but how is it just doesnt feel right
cerealbad将近 6 年前
america needs to elect another straight shooter so people don&#x27;t get confused about foreign policy issues.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=-qdvm6h8WKg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=-qdvm6h8WKg</a>
lsiebert将近 6 年前
There are of course arguments against doing this and in support of sanctions, but I feel for this person.<p>I think, given that the Supreme Court Chief Justice, John Roberts, never met a first amendment argument that he didn&#x27;t like, these restrictions could probably be eliminated if not narrowly tailored.<p>Any significantly large software company could sue to overcome general software export restrictions on First amendment grounds, but most likely they won&#x27;t. Politically it would be shooting themselves in the foot and inviting wrath from Trump, and they don&#x27;t get paid to support free speech, they usually just do it incidentally.<p>Perhaps a little more likely, The EFF could sue again<i>.<p>Somebody should ask the EFF about export controls on software during their Defcon panel on the 10th or something.<p></i> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Bernstein_v._United_States" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Bernstein_v._United_States</a>
ThrowAwayRedRed将近 6 年前
I&#x27;m a developer in Iran too. Just wanted to say this guy works in Douran (شرکت دوران) company, proudly stated in his page (Which screams amateur and narcissist), they are providing the government with many censorship and surveillance software and services.<p>They are notorious and hated, like death squad level in the free minded, geek community in the country.<p>I can&#x27;t believe his post got this much attention and sympathy without anyone noticing he works in a freedom killing company... what a joke!<p>Sanctions really hurt... good luck using a good cloud provider, which is a backbone for our daily activities as developers. No doubt about that, nothing new.<p>The problem is our double standards in the middle east, we fuck up everything then blame it on others. They (west, east, x, y) aren&#x27;t saints but we aren&#x27;t either. Here is a clear example of this ugly truth.<p>I know people mostly from minorities (Kurds, atheists, LGBT, secular, Narenji guys) with death sentences in Iran because of their online activities and if there is a single corporation you can easily blame and point to who lands a hand to the government for their inhuman acts it&#x27;s them, Douran.<p>Double standards won&#x27;t work, you can only fool people for a very short period of time in our era.
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Havoc将近 6 年前
Seems near impossible to keep up with modern tech advances if you can&#x27;t even google stuff properly. :(
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dnprock将近 6 年前
I may hold an extreme position here. I believe sanction is always a bad idea. I grew up in a formerly sanctioned country, Vietnam. Life was rough for normal people. They become increasingly attached to their sanctioned regime. The US sanctioned Vietnam mainly because it took down a genocidal regime. Sanction is not an effective tool for change.<p>The right way to move the world forward is to lead by example, to become the society that other countries want to emulate.
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EGreg将近 6 年前
I have seen a lot of this kind of stuff. Sanctions almost never work, and are almost always a bad idea.<p>Just like arming rebels against a government, the CIA found out, almost never results in anything good[1], then tried it again[2] and it again predictably resulted in something awful.<p>When it comes to sanctions, they have exacerbated situations that could have been solved with diplomacy. In the case of Iran, we already had negotiated an unprecedented deal with international inspectors having more access to its nuclear facilities and mining sites than any country in history. But that wasn’t enough. The deal was scrapped by Trump simply to erase Obama’s legacy[3], with no plan in place. It’s not just Trump, it’s the Republican leaders[4] and types of presidents the new Republican party tends to elect.[5]<p>Let’s turn to substance and back up the claim abou sanctions. We have seen this movie before. North Korea, cut off from world trade and under threat, was angling to get nuclear weapons. Clinton had negotiated a deal with Kin Jong Il, called the Agreed Framework[6], in exchange for step by step normalization of relations and lifting sanctions. It was already signed and began to be implemented!<p>Then the next administration entered office - Bush and the GOP called the deal expensive “appeasement” and scuttled it. Instead, they put more sanctions on North korea.<p>How did that work out? The people got united under the credible narrative that “<i>they</i> hate our way of life and <i>they</i> hate us” and North Korea got the bomb. With a little help from Ukrainians on the black market[7].<p>What’s worse is that with no agreement in place or relations with the US North Korea continued to act as a rogue state and <i>gave</i> nuclear technology to Syria to use against Israel. The Syrian nuclear reactor was covertly bombed by Israelis in a pre emptive strike[8] and no country (including Syria) spoke about this for months.<p>I could go down the line to show that diplomacy beats sanctions every time and that sanctions radicalize the population and make them <i>support</i> the very thing you want them to abandon.<p>I will jump straight to Godwin’s law. The Nazis came to power because of crushing sanctions on Germany after the Treaty of Versailles. Yes, France hated Germany and yes they wanted them to pay reparations for starting World War 1. But as a result, the German people were reduced to complete poverty and hyperinflation. What did they do? They had a nationalist fervor and pushed for leaders to “restore” Germany, armed themselves to the teeth, and then launched World War 2!<p>Imagine if there was no sanctions. Would the Germans elect Nazis if they were prosperous? Would North Koreans not develop a rootless cosmopolitan bourgiousie class if they were allowed to trade with the world? These things happen when sanctions are LIFTED. You want to help a country — lift sanctions on its people!<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.smithsonianmag.com&#x2F;smart-news&#x2F;arming-rebels-has-pretty-much-never-worked-180953054&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.smithsonianmag.com&#x2F;smart-news&#x2F;arming-rebels-has-...</a><p>2. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;08&#x2F;02&#x2F;world&#x2F;middleeast&#x2F;cia-syria-rebel-arm-train-trump.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;08&#x2F;02&#x2F;world&#x2F;middleeast&#x2F;cia-syri...</a><p>3. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;amp&#x2F;uk-48978484" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;amp&#x2F;uk-48978484</a><p>4. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politico.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;2010&#x2F;10&#x2F;the-gops-no-compromise-pledge-044311" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.politico.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;2010&#x2F;10&#x2F;the-gops-no-compromis...</a><p>5. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;amp.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2004&#x2F;jan&#x2F;12&#x2F;usa.books" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;amp.theguardian.com&#x2F;world&#x2F;2004&#x2F;jan&#x2F;12&#x2F;usa.books</a><p>6. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Agreed_Framework" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Agreed_Framework</a><p>7. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2017&#x2F;08&#x2F;14&#x2F;543477518&#x2F;north-koreas-secret-weapon-in-nuclear-program-ukrainian-rocket-engines" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2017&#x2F;08&#x2F;14&#x2F;543477518&#x2F;north-koreas-secret...</a><p>8. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Operation_Outside_the_Box" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Operation_Outside_the_Box</a>
flyinglizard将近 6 年前
I’m always caught by surprise when I see intelligent, educated people ignore the nature and actions of Iran to justify their adversarial feelings towards the US administration.<p>Iran is on an unprecedented aggressive and violent push towards dominating the Middle East.<p>They are deployed in Syria, building forward bases to threaten Israel, destabilize Lebanon and pushing it closer to another war with Israel by funding and arming Hezbollah.<p>They are sponsoring and arming Shiite militias in Iraq and provide them with ballistic missiles to threaten other Middle East countries.<p>They are supporting and funding the Houthis in Yemen who are responsible for the civil war and attacks on Saudi Arabia and Gulf states. They are supporting, funding and arming Hamas and Islamic Jihad in Gaza, both of which are recognized terrorist groups intent on murdering Jews.<p>They are responsible for historical attacks on US forces in Lebanon during the 80s which killed hundreds of Americans. They are later responsible for the attack on the Jewish community in Argentina in the early 90s. Lately multiple Iranian operative cells have been exposed in Europe, trying to engage in assassinations.<p>They are bullying Gulf states. They are calling for the destruction of Israel every few weeks.<p>Iran is developing a ballistic missile program which is intended to threaten Western Europe (they are up to 4000km in range now with their latest missiles).<p>Finally, Iran hangs gays from cranes.<p>Now, why would anyone in their right mind oppose sanctioning this country?
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kebman将近 6 年前
Haha, at this point the only difference between Iran&#x27;s totalitarian censorship and Western censorship, is that the West does it way better, ref. deplatforming and censorship on both Facebook, Google and Twitter. At this point, even banks are trying to freeze the assets of people they don&#x27;t like.<p>He&#x27;s talking about totalitarian censorship, when most of the totalitarian censorship—and surveillance—in the West are done by Big Tech in cooperation with bureaucratic entities such as the EU and Great Britain. The USA too, but they&#x27;re more interested in information. (However the US do currently &quot;censor&quot; traders from using foreign platforms that offer leverages that are too high according to US authorities, among other things. For their own good, of course...)<p>Oh and Big Tech also blocks Iran on many platforms, for obvious reasons. So not only does Iran have to deal with invasive surveillance and censorship from their government, but also from tech companies abroad. Talk about picking the short straw! He&#x27;s right about one thing, though. Nobody cares about the people. Not in Iran or the West.<p>Edit: I knew such a comment would be costly, but next time, you could be the one who&#x27;s affected. Think about it.
mnm1将近 6 年前
&gt; People are dying due to absence of medicines. People are starving. The economy system is falling apart and the politicians and their children are all abroad!<p>Sounds like the sanctions are working exactly as intended. No one in their right mind could possibly think that the sanctions would affect government officials or their families. Then again, most people in the US government are not in their right minds.
strooper将近 6 年前
Dear Iranian devs, let&#x27;s learn to take advantage of the situation instead of complaining about it. Why not learn from the devs in China?! To my knowledge, China blocks no less online service than Iran. China monitors citizens&#x27; online activities in ways that very few other countries can. Yet their internet services flourish and engage users in ways nowhere else is seen.<p>Let&#x27;s build&#x2F;clone fancy&#x2F;popular services locally instead. Haven&#x27;t we seen how big opportunity that is financially? Doesn&#x27;t that bring freedom from both the controlfreak regime and sanction-imposing regime?
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