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The Suicides in South Korea, and the Suicide of South Korea

86 点作者 kwindla将近 6 年前

12 条评论

qwerqwerasdf将近 6 年前
I would attribute the low birth rate to the fact that economic growth has slowed down.<p>The 20s of this generation are literally the ones that are getting the shorter end of the stick. Imagine yourself being 18 year-old male in South Korea, 80% of highschool graduates go to college, so given the status of the job market you are pretty much forced to go to college unless you are willing to work in a poor environment (as in jobs that don&#x27;t provide career progression, or pose high risk on personal health).<p>To add salt to this wound, the college tuition has been hiking. The parental generation of Korea who are in their 50s lived through a time of high economic growth, and education was affordable due to cheaper tuition that could be paid off in short term. Let&#x27;s say that you take college somewhat seriously, and spend extra year or two after highschool to get into a solid college. You are now 20. After a year you have to serve the military. You are now 23-24, second year in college. After finishing college, you are 26, but there are good amount of people who take year or two off so you will get plenty of 27-28 year old males that have lot of debt, and not much job experience.<p>Ok, time to get a job. But hey, the job market sucks right now. Older people aren&#x27;t retiring. Some companies give you contract or internship work but these barely pay for cost of living, and rarely convert to satisfying full-time positions. There were times when college degree meant a guaranteed full-time employment but not anymore. If you managed to land a full-time job after gaining job experience, you&#x27;re probably 30. To make things better, real estate is spinning out of control so you wouldn&#x27;t be able to afford a house any time soon. If you asked a person like this about getting married and having children within a year or two... You can&#x27;t blame them for saying no.<p>Population kept scaling with the assumption that economic growth will match it, but things have slowed down. It&#x27;s not like Koreans will go extinct or kill themselves as a whole. But it&#x27;s the matter of how much is the population going to drop by and whether they can find breakthroughs in the meantime to grow its economic capacities.<p>As a side note, although people are mainly concerned about teens or young adults when discussing suicide issues, I would like to point out that suicide rate in Korea is exceptionally higher for older people (60+).
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Theodores将近 6 年前
The article did not mention what to me is the saddest aspect of suicide in South Korea. This is amongst the retired old folk. They don&#x27;t want to be a burden on the world and their family, there isn&#x27;t a lot of state support for them and so they take some nasty pesticides, hang themselves or poison themselves by carbon monoxide.<p>When they were young they looked after their grandparents, but, with family sizes not being what they were and with people moving away for jobs etc. they don&#x27;t have a surplus of children or grandchildren (or great grandchildren) around to look after them. Hence the particularly tragic ending.<p>Not sure why the article cites the &#x27;...not enough social media followers&#x27; reason for suicide when the tragedy with the old folk is a bigger phenomenon.
oska将近 6 年前
I do not at all like the early established conceit of this article: that a country with a currently low birth rate is &#x27;committing suicide&#x27;.<p>Yes, social conditions in South Korea are dreadful in many ways and yes, these conditions are definitely influencing South Koreans&#x27; decisions on whether to have children, or marry. But not marrying and not having children is not suicide, neither for the individual <i>nor</i> the society.<p>The Black Death is estimated to have reduced the size of Europe&#x27;s population by 30% to 60% in the 14th century. After that extreme population shrinkage life improved dramatically for the ordinary people. People were <i>more valued</i> than they had been before. Shrinkage of a population can be healthy and, as it improves conditions for those who come after, will go into reverse at a certain point.
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operatorequals将近 6 年前
I find this social behavior amazing. And I&#x27;m very surprised that humans are capable of it. This is a behavior often recognised in animals that are in captivity.<p>Personal experience is with some finches. Finches refuse to hatch their fertilised eggs by breaking them, if they were forced to mate in a cage. I was a breeder for a brief while.
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amyjess将近 6 年前
&gt; while calling someone “unmarried” in English has no strong connotations, the word’s standard Korean equivalent, mihon (미혼), implies that its object may not have married yet but one day will. An alternative term has thus gained traction in recent years: bihon (비혼), which suggests a deliberate choice not to marry, and thus not to engage in anything that comes along with marriage.<p>I found this part interesting. There are a few analogues in English with similar phenomena, both of which I&#x27;m personally familiar with due to communities I&#x27;m part of.<p>- Because the word &quot;childless&quot; implies that childless people are <i>lacking</i> something they want, many of us who actively recoil at the thought of having children have taken to using the term &quot;childfree&quot;. Someone who wants children but doesn&#x27;t have them is childless; someone who doesn&#x27;t want children and has avoided having them is childfree.<p>- Historically, trans people, and especially trans women have been classed into two categories, &quot;pre-op&quot; and &quot;post-op&quot;, based on whether or not somebody has had Genital Reconstruction Surgery. As there are an increasing number of trans women who aren&#x27;t interested in having GRS at all, many who would otherwise have been considered &quot;pre-op&quot; are now using the term &quot;non-op&quot;. And on top of that, as the trans community has continued to de-emphasize GRS, I&#x27;ve also seen the prominence of those terms fade away in general. Years and years ago (long before I transitioned), it wasn&#x27;t uncommon for someone&#x27;s op status to always be attached to any mention of them being trans (usually in the form &quot;So-and-so is a pre-op transsexual&quot;), and nowadays you only see op status used when someone is specifically discussing GRS (and honestly, the status of my genitalia is private medical information, and I have no interest in rattling it off when introducing myself or having other people rattle it off when introducing me; it&#x27;s tacky and gross).
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pnathan将近 6 年前
The writer has an interesting slant on SK (I flipped through a few of his other essays). I don&#x27;t know enough about South Korea to distill it, but it doesn&#x27;t feel <i>right</i>. Something vaguely exoticiszed... Maybe .... &quot;snotty expat?&quot;<p>Are there any South Koreans here who will speak out? I&#x27;d trust a local&#x27;s opinion over the above writer&#x27;s.
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JDiculous将近 6 年前
Although much of the sentiment of the article is correct, the author seems to be trying really hard to push a narrative (suicide by being attacked by social media followers, really?). Also, less desire to marry is certainly not exclusive to Korea. Same thing in the U.S., and probably most of the rest of the developed world as well. I&#x27;d still bet that the average Korean is more interested in marriage than the average westernized feminist American, but that&#x27;s just me guessing.<p>In any case, it&#x27;s most certainly true that life is hard in Korea if you&#x27;re not in the top 10% or so. They&#x27;ve got among the most competitive (pre-college) education systems in the world that in my opinion is more tantamount to torture because 11 year kids are literally at cram schools until 10-11pm at night. Getting into the right university is extraordinarily competitive and basically determines your future.<p>And then the job market is extremely competitive, with probably among the longest hours and worst working conditions as far as office jobs go. If you&#x27;re only working 9:30am-5:30pm, you&#x27;re considered lucky and probably working at a foreign company. You&#x27;ve got to be completely subservient to your boss, and there&#x27;s always some upper manager who makes the atmosphere toxic. If you&#x27;re a woman, you&#x27;ll basically get pressured to leave as soon as you have a baby. And buying a home - a prerequisite for a man to marry in Korean culture - has gotten unaffordable unless your parents can subsidize you. And of course tack on 2 years of military service, so most Korean men don&#x27;t even start their first job until their 27 or so.<p>It&#x27;s no surprise to me that Korea has the highest suicide rate in the world, and that people are choosing to drop out of this cutthroat rat race. I spoke to an expat with kids who&#x27;s lived here in Korea for the last 20+ years who told me the younger generation has basically given up on finding a good job and buying a home, focusing more on travel and experiences. Perhaps an exaggeration, but not completely removed from reality.<p>In Korea&#x27;s defense, I see the same pattern in the U.S. (thanks baby boomers), just maybe not as extreme. Although university is perhaps getting more expensive in Korea, it&#x27;s certainly nowhere near the extreme that it is in the U.S. And at least Korea has a very good universal healthcare system. Similar to the U.S., I think the only hope of real change is for the baby boomers to retire or get out of politics and for the younger generation to take over. Let&#x27;s call a spade for a spade here - baby boomers created this mess (whether we&#x27;re talking the U.S. or Korea), and they&#x27;re not going to bring us out.
superpermutat0r将近 6 年前
Unfortunately it&#x27;s just the way advanced countries work. The society there is not made for people. So people do not have offspring and do not want to live. Although it&#x27;s quite interesting that South Korea turned unfit for habitation in such a short time.
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lota-putty将近 6 年前
Casualties of war* are not counted in percentages(%):<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;worldpopulationreview.com&#x2F;countries&#x2F;suicide-rate-by-country&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;worldpopulationreview.com&#x2F;countries&#x2F;suicide-rate-by-c...</a><p>India beats<i></i> China by a big margin, even with the subpar statistics Dept.<p>* If life is war then suicide is casualty(short-life) <i></i> sort by &#x27;Total Per Year&#x27;
boyadjian将近 6 年前
Low birth rate is a sign of intelligence, it has nothing to do with suicides.
qroshan将近 6 年前
I&#x27;m very much a non-religious person, but as a science person you absolutely have to question the almost glaring correlation between people properly practicing religion and discipline, happiness, and procreation.
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notTyler将近 6 年前
I am a lifelong gamer and for about as long, my parents have hated it. I remember one time they made me read about Korean guys packed like rats in computer labs, chainsmoking cigarettes and farming gold &#x2F; whatever you farm in WoW for 18 hours a day. They were paid next to nothing and largely used their spare time to also farm to make money on the side.<p>I wrote it off at the time because reasons but to think that society, parents, or getting a low score on a single test would all but force them into a position like that is mind boggling. This was over a decade ago too, I can only assume it&#x27;s gotten worse for a lot of people.<p>I can&#x27;t see anything like this happening in the US because of half the country being red states that would be appalled at the thought of not getting married and having kids.
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