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Epstein Suicide Conspiracies Show How Our Information System Is Poisoned

17 点作者 augustocallejas将近 6 年前

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tlb将近 6 年前
An HN discussion around how information systems become poisoned could be great. Arguing about the specific conspiracy theories will lead to pointless flamewars. May I suggest engaging with the former?
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dbskdb将近 6 年前
Indeed they are poisoned: few ppl trust the mass media.<p>Because, honestly, as a jailer, how could you f up more than having Epstein hang himself? A man who, before he hung himself <i>everone</i> thought: “wouldn’t it be convenient if he got suicided?” Why did we think this way? Let’s see:<p>-Women who have credibly accused this man have also accused a Prince of the UK - a power structure that it’s known has shielded pedos for decades (BBC, Thatcher’s cabinet, liberal party leader).<p>- The sleaziest two presidents since Johnson (or maybe ever!) are involved with this asshole.<p>- His lawyer (Alan Dersowitch), one of the most important constitutional lawyers in the US, is accused to having been partaken in the abuse. A.D. has behaved quite bizarrely with his request to unseal and keep sealed court records.<p>- The original court case was sealed!<p>Also, a la Harvey Weinstein fiasco, everyone in his circle appear to have known about his peccadillos <i>with children</i><p>Now he’s conveniently dead. And I’m supposed to prostrate at the NYT, who didn’t break this story, when they tell me there’s nothing to see?<p>Ha!
AndrewBissell将近 6 年前
It&#x27;s really interesting to watch establishment media congeal around the notion that <i>any</i> speculation of foul play -- or indeed any deviation from the official line of &quot;whoops he killed himself lol&quot; -- is &quot;baseless,&quot; to be placed in a category of &quot;conspiracy theories&quot; alongside chemtrails and reptilian overlords, a tragic consequence of the internet&#x27;s proclivity to spread viral fake news, etc.<p>I mean, here you had a potential witness who we <i>know</i> may have had the goods on a member of the British royal family and a former U.S. Senator and state Governor, just from the slight trickle of documents that have made it out to the public (in addition to the Miami Herald reporter, we also have conspiracy nutbar Mike Cernovich to thank for that). Both Bill Clinton and Donald Trump had long associations with him. The source of his wealth is an utter black box, which suggests at the very least an absurdly rich benefactor, if not an extensive blackmail scheme or even support from some state actor. There&#x27;s practically an entire army division&#x27;s worth of people with their hands on the levers of power who may have had everything to lose if Epstein made it to trial. And Epstein himself was an unrepentant sociopath with delusions of grandeur who hardly fit the profile of a defendant who would off himself.<p>So far, all we&#x27;ve been told is that he was inexplicably not under 24&#x2F;7 monitoring, that there may not even be conclusive video evidence of activity in and around his cell, and the body was taken to a hospital somewhere. And we&#x27;re supposed to think it&#x27;s just <i>completely off-the-reservation crazy</i> to cast doubt on the official narratives here? Even to think that maybe someone helped create the conditions at the prison under which it was even <i>possible</i> for Epstein to kill himself?<p>Literally half the world <i>predicted</i> this would happen in the first place! So color me a bit unconvinced that what the conspiracy theories really demonstrate is that the hoi polloi don&#x27;t know how to distinguish fact from fiction on the internet. And if Bill Clinton didn&#x27;t want to feature in those theories, well, maybe he could have not taken quite so many rides on the Lolita Express.<p>Of course, this is all coming from many of the same media sources which spent the first two years of Trump&#x27;s presidency barking up the tree of secret Russian pee tape kompromat and Putin as the secret puppetmaster of Manchurian Candidate Trump.
pmiller2将近 6 年前
I’ve been arguing with people about this since it happened. Sure, there are a lot of people with incentives to kill Epstein, but if you say it’s murder, then you have to explain how the killer did it <i>while he was in federal custody.</i> Even Trump couldn’t do that without getting caught.<p>#ClintonBodyCount is particularly absurd, because I’m supposed to believe the Clintons had all these people killed, with no evidence pointing back to them. This doesn’t make sense in a reality where Trump can’t even keep one porn star quiet.<p>The simplest explanation is that he committed suicide, because he was prematurely let off suicide watch. Occam’s razor strikes again.
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qwsxyh将近 6 年前
Incredible. The NY times have managed to &quot;both sides&quot; this. Genuinely impressive.
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insickness将近 6 年前
&gt; especially with corruption and conspiracy at the heart of our biggest national news stories (Epstein, the Mueller Report, mass shootings), and the platforms themselves functioning as petri dishes for outlandish, even dangerous conspiracy theories to flourish<p>Now the media uses the word &quot;conspiracy&quot; to try to delegitemize all media, sources, narratives and stories they disagree with. &quot;Trump posts conspiracy theory on Twitter.&quot; &quot;Without proof, Trump makes claims.&quot;<p>The NY Times pushed the biggest conspiracy of all: Russian collusion. Bombshell after supposed bombshell fell as the Times and CNN and other anti-Trump media braced us for the crushing outcome of that would come with the Mueller report. And then it turned out to be nothing. Zero.
P0l83q4p1Hw3Ul将近 6 年前
What&#x27;s worse?<p>1. People getting 2-3 narratives from mainstream news sources, one of which they believe, both of which are often false.<p>2. People getting 100 narratives from unknown sources, none of which they fully believe, a handful they think are plausible, most are false.<p>It&#x27;s good to have everyone on the same page believing what is true, horrible to have everyone on the same page believing what is false. Given that the mainstream can&#x27;t be trusted, I&#x27;ll go with #2.
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