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'Plastic recycling is a myth': what really happens to your rubbish

96 点作者 SmkyMt将近 6 年前

13 条评论

andrewstuart将近 6 年前
&quot;Lie&quot; might be a more appropriate word than &quot;myth&quot;.<p>The packaging&#x2F;garbage manufacturing industry needs people to believe in recycling, otherwise they&#x27;ll start asking &quot;why the heck is the packaging industry spewing an infinite, never ending flow of garbage?&quot;. So far they have hidden behind the lie of recycling so people feel like it&#x27;s not actually the problem it is.<p>The only true solution is a small range of standardised returnable&#x2F;washable&#x2F;reusable containers - this is a huge business opportunity for whoever really nails it. Reusable&#x2F;returnable containers for food, for e-commerce goods shipping, and also reusable containers just for buying stuff off the supermarket shelves. Think of the size of the market for a true solution for that.<p>Why, for example, does Amazon not have a standard set of shipping box sizes which it not only delivers, but re-collects via the same logistics network?
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Reedx将近 6 年前
The largest recycling center in California, with almost 300 locations, actually just closed last week:<p><i>“With the continued reduction in State fees, the depressed pricing of recycled aluminum and PET plastic, and the rise in operating costs resulting from minimum wage increases and required health and workers compensation insurance, the Company has concluded that operation of these recycling centers and supporting operations is no longer sustainable,”</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mercurynews.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;08&#x2F;05&#x2F;californias-largest-recycling-center-business-closes-shuttering-300-redemption-centers&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mercurynews.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;08&#x2F;05&#x2F;californias-largest-r...</a>
spodek将近 6 年前
You never need to use another plastic bottle, single-use cup, fork, or bag again for the rest of your life.<p>Try this challenge: go for a week without using those things. However far you make it, I bet you&#x27;ll find it easier and rewarding than you expect. The goal doesn&#x27;t have to be to fix all the world&#x27;s problems by yourself overnight, just a new experience. It will probably lead to institutional and government change faster than not acting and it costs nothing anyway.<p>Everyone I know who has tried has continued because they enjoyed the experience.<p>If you live in Flint or some place similarly polluted and need the bottles you can still do the experiment.
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kinow将近 6 年前
In New Zealand it is easy to see the effects after countries stopped accepting our rubbish.<p>We have a few landfill, but they are slowly piling up now. And NZ has always been popular for its green landscapes.<p>So now the gov, councils, and local businesses started prohibiting some types of plastics.<p>But it is still at early stages. Supermarkets have banned single use plastic bags, but pretty much everthing you buy still has plastic that goes to the landfill.<p>Recycling here is also different from latin america. In latam normally you have multiple recycling bins... one for glass, one for plastic, one for paper, etc.<p>Here we have a single container for plastic. Some times you find multiple bins, but that&#x27;s still rare.<p>In my company, there is one huge bin for cardboard only downstairs. One for paper (but only for confidential docs to be properly destroyed), and the bins in the kitchen areas, where you are supposed to throw only milk packages.<p>I looked around where I could dispose oil, and a restaurant owner told me to just dump in the sink. He said there is a company that goes around the CBD collecting used oil, but only from businesses that pay for that.<p>There is a place that collects electronics waste. But the collection places and dates are sparse, and I see a lot getting dumped in the normal waste.<p>We still have a long way to go. At least the council here reports on landfills and is doing their part trying to promote green ideas <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz&#x2F;building-and-consents&#x2F;types-resource-consents&#x2F;earthworks&#x2F;Pages&#x2F;landfills.aspx" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz&#x2F;building-and-consents&#x2F;ty...</a>
lacker将近 6 年前
Are we anywhere near running out of landfill space? Are modern landfills bad for the environment at all? It doesn’t seem like it.<p>I think environmentalism is misguided when it works on the principle of “everything that sounds good for the environment is equally important, we don’t need to pay attention to whether it works”. Global warming is a real danger. Running out of landfill space is not. Stop pretending like you are helping the environment when you do symbolic but unimportant things like using paper straws or reusable grocery bags. Take all the money spent on ineffective things like paper recycling and disallowing plastic bags, and put it towards the technologies that can really help, like cheaper solar power, cheaper wind power, cheaper batteries, and carbon sequestration.
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shioyama将近 6 年前
&gt; The present dumping ground of choice is Malaysia.<p>Use of the term &quot;dumping&quot; makes me seriously question the article&#x27;s storyline. Plastic garbage is not &quot;dumped&quot; in Malaysia, it is <i>sold</i> to buyers in Malaysia. If you wanted to dump it it would be much cheaper to do so at source.<p>Ref: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;discardstudies.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;05&#x2F;06&#x2F;adam-minter-how-things-flow&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;discardstudies.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;05&#x2F;06&#x2F;adam-minter-how-things...</a>
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dang将近 6 年前
Related and recent:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20549804" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20549804</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20433851" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20433851</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19889365" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19889365</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19399543" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19399543</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19346342" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=19346342</a><p>More at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20550947" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=20550947</a>
FrozenVoid将近 6 年前
You can convert it to oil instead of burning(which releases dioxins&#x2F;heavy metals and other chemicals). <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.plastic2oil.com" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.plastic2oil.com</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.instructables.com&#x2F;id&#x2F;Waste-Plastic-to-Fuel&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.instructables.com&#x2F;id&#x2F;Waste-Plastic-to-Fuel&#x2F;</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;permaculturenews.org&#x2F;2014&#x2F;03&#x2F;21&#x2F;home-scale-conversion-plastics-oil&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;permaculturenews.org&#x2F;2014&#x2F;03&#x2F;21&#x2F;home-scale-conversio...</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;plastics.americanchemistry.com&#x2F;Plastics-to-Oil&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;plastics.americanchemistry.com&#x2F;Plastics-to-Oil&#x2F;</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencealert.com&#x2F;holy-crap-watch-this-guy-turn-plastic-back-into-oil" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sciencealert.com&#x2F;holy-crap-watch-this-guy-turn-p...</a>
ap3将近 6 年前
I worked at a company that introduced recycling program and we had three bins: trash, recyclables and food<p>We were all trying to abide by the program and go “green”.<p>One day we stuck around late and noticed the cleaning guy come in take the three bins and empty the onto the same trash container<p>We asked him and he said they only had one type of trash containers we downstairs so everything went into the same one
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kostko将近 6 年前
Citizens are not producing kgs of plastics a day! Companies are! Lets just start a movement to start unboxing everything in plastic after the purchase counter and before exit and leave supermarkets to deal with the plastics... then they’ll take note. I’ve seen tens of inventions covering biological clear plastic alternatives, now we just need to make the companies apply them...
chewz将近 6 年前
&gt; Illegal shipments of Australian waste used as fuel to make tofu in Indonesia<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;S_rFC54Bxjc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;S_rFC54Bxjc</a>
SubiculumCode将近 6 年前
I am not sure how much a return to glass would cost consumers. Taxing plastic might be required, unless someone can come up with a market based solution.
OrgNet将近 6 年前
2 days ago, the recycling truck in my neighborhood picked up the trash bin of my neighbor in the same truck as the recycling (the neighbor put his trash bin out too late)... I&#x27;m pretty sure it all goes in the same place.