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How Does Esperanto Sound?

203 点作者 martinrue超过 5 年前

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sivers超过 5 年前
A couple years ago, I sat down to check out Esperanto the same way that any of us programming language nerds check out another programming language.<p>Polyglot Benny Lewis recommends that if you don&#x27;t know any foreign language, the best place to start is Esperanto, because it&#x27;s so easy. See <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fluentin3months.com&#x2F;2-weeks-of-esperanto&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.fluentin3months.com&#x2F;2-weeks-of-esperanto&#x2F;</a><p>I intended to give it about an hour, one Sunday, so I sat down in my chair at 4pm, and went to the most recommended tutorial:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lernu.net&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lernu.net&#x2F;</a><p>I had so many “whoa!” and “wow!” and “this is amazing!” moments while checking it out that I didn&#x27;t get out of my chair until almost midnight. I didn&#x27;t even notice the house had grown dark around me.<p>It&#x27;s a really fun, simple, easy language to learn. I ended up learning it for six months to a conversational level. I found someone fluent in <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.italki.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.italki.com&#x2F;</a> and we talked by Skype for three hours per week. I used Anki flashcards to memorize vocabulary. I slowly read a few books in Esperanto.<p>After six months, I attended the international Esperanto conference in Seoul, Korea, and spoke only Esperanto for a few days. I was glad I was doing it, and somewhat glad I did it, but in hindsight maybe should have used that time to learn Mandarin or another language where I can communicate with people that don&#x27;t speak English.<p>Still, I miss it. Esperanto is wonderfully designed. I highly recommend anyone curious go to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lernu.net&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;lernu.net&#x2F;</a> and work their way through the course there, even if that&#x27;s all you do.
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SomeProgrammer_超过 5 年前
Personal thoughts, Esperanto is designed &amp; spoken with notable allophony to help accommodate different regional usages. For example, the &lt;r&gt; in Esperanto can be pronounced allophonically as the &quot;French R&quot;, &quot;American R&quot;, &quot;Spanish R&quot;, etc.<p>However, a lot of conlangers have noticed that there are a lot of consonant clusters and basic phonemes that don&#x27;t seem to have nice analogues in many languages - like Esperanto&#x27;s affricates, affricate &amp; fricative clusters, etc.<p>On top of that, the language is phonemically regular in the sense that there are no natural-sounding phonemic irregularities that one might normally expect.<p>In my view, Esperanto sounds fine. It has it&#x27;s own aesthetic. Though at the same time, I find that because a lot of Esperanto was designed without a global audience in mind, there are a lot of &quot;approximations&quot; to what Zamenhoff, the original creator of Esperanto, maybe had anticipated that the language would sound like.
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umvi超过 5 年前
Even if Esperanto were widely adopted, there would be nothing to keep it from developing edge cases and funky grammar exceptions over time just like every other language.<p>Esperanto only works for scholarly types that adhere strictly to the rules, not lazy uneducated people who just want to communicate something with as little effort as possible and don&#x27;t care if they aren&#x27;t adhering to the grammar. Also, you&#x27;d get localized variants depending on the region.
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jcranmer超过 5 年前
&gt; Exploring the problem further, I discovered that Slavic languages have a good overlap with the sounds found in Esperanto, especially vowel sounds. Better yet, many professional TTS engines have Polish voices.<p>There&#x27;s a strong case to be made that Esperanto was designed to have the phonemic inventory of the dialect of its creator, an Eastern Polish dialect. See <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;jbr.me.uk&#x2F;ranto&#x2F;index.html#01" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;jbr.me.uk&#x2F;ranto&#x2F;index.html#01</a>.
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sudosteph超过 5 年前
Great work! I had been hoping that an alexa-esque voice for Eperanto would be created one day, though I realized Amazon had no financial incentive to do it. I&#x27;m amazed it sounds as good as it does when it was a one-man side project. Even as a very casual esperantist, I could understand it without much difficulty. Thank you for doing this and sharing your work.
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wolfgke超过 5 年前
Relevant: the yuri visual novel &quot;The Expression Amrilato&quot; about a girl that is stranded in a world where everybody speaks Juliamo (the in-game name for Esperanto) instead of Japanese.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;w&#x2F;index.php?title=The_Expression_Amrilato&amp;oldid=903669020" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;w&#x2F;index.php?title=The_Expression_Am...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gog.com&#x2F;game&#x2F;the_expression_amrilato" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gog.com&#x2F;game&#x2F;the_expression_amrilato</a>
zubi超过 5 年前
Excellent work, and indeed it sounds pretty much neutral. One question though: I always thought Esperanto pronunciation and letters map quite one-to-one with Turkish, have you considered basing your work on Turkish instead of Polish?<p>Except ŭ, Esperanto vowels have exactly the same sound as they do in Turkish. Among the consonants, ĥ and c don&#x27;t map, but all others do. Even ĉ, ŝ, ĝ and ĵ map to one specific letter with the identical sound.
jujun超过 5 年前
I speak Esperanto since I was 15 years old, (now I am 30). I even met my GF with it 10 years ago. It&#x27;s something great to meet very interesting and generous people anywhere on earth. And it&#x27;s also a nice programming language.
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6thaccount2超过 5 年前
I&#x27;ve been learning on Duolingo and Richardson&#x27;s book. It really is simply so elegant. Easy to learn, easy to read, easy to understand, easy to speak. It just sounds cool to me as well. I think at 3 weeks in I had made more progress than 3 years of Spanish as you don&#x27;t have to worry about irregularities and even the vocabulary is easy to remember.
CodeCube超过 5 年前
This is the first time I&#x27;ve actually heard Esperanto spoken aloud ... very cool, thanks for posting.<p>What drove you to learn Esperanto originally?
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Savageman超过 5 年前
A friend of mine has a started to create a new language fit for European citizen.<p>It is based on a translator-based computer program and performs a synthesis of European languages. Each word is the result of a democratic choice made by an algorithm, so that it is the closest to that of the majority of European languages.<p>The website is in French, but there&#x27;s a paragraph written in Europa (the name of the language) that starts with &quot;Vos have comprendet que haver ambition&quot;. I&#x27;m really curious how people can understand it without any learning. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.europeo.li" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.europeo.li</a><p>They have another website, with video of people speaking and this article about built languages is quite interesting: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.europa-lingua.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;tour-de-table-des-langues-construites-quelle-langue-pour-leurope&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.europa-lingua.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;tour-de-table-des-langues-c...</a>
tracker1超过 5 年前
I wonder if there are still more Klingon speakers than Esperanto today. I don&#x27;t know that outside linguist circles I&#x27;d see as much value in learning Esperanto as a more broadly used language. I took up a little bit of French and German (and Klingon) when I was young, but it&#x27;s been 25-30 years since I&#x27;ve spoken either and don&#x27;t remember anything.
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antognini超过 5 年前
If anyone is interested in listening to a little more Esperanto, there&#x27;s a great Esperanto podcast: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pola-retradio.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pola-retradio.org&#x2F;</a><p>It&#x27;s been a long while since I listened to it, but the speech is very fluent and it&#x27;s about as close to as a &quot;neutral&quot; Esperanto accent as you&#x27;ll get.
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travisgriggs超过 5 年前
This being HN and all, I’m curious if anyone has any experience using Esperanto as a base language for code. Are there any code bases out there where the names of variables and functions and stuff are expressed in Esperanto?
Koshkin超过 5 年前
Sounds like Italian to me...
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amp108超过 5 年前
I have read the pronunciation is bad in the 1966 film <i>Incubus&#x2F;Inkubo</i>, (cf. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Incubus_(1966_film)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Incubus_(1966_film)</a>) but William Shatner acts like he&#x27;s a native speaker in it.
nydel超过 5 年前
from my experience, most words in esperanto should have the emphasis on the second-to-final syllable. this is a good guideline!<p>mi esTAS STUdando ... sounds weird. mi EStas stuDANdo ... sounds right.<p>this works almost everywhere because of esperanto&#x27;s constructed nature and following uniformity.
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jodrellblank超过 5 年前
Bonan voĉon :)<p>Kiam oni finas frazon kun &quot; ?&quot;, la ilo eraras, ekzemple: &quot;<i>testing in english?</i>&quot; funkcias, sed &quot;<i>testing in english ?</i>&quot; malfunkcias.<p>(When you end a phrase with a space then a question mark, the tool gives an error, &quot;failed to fetch&quot;).
thosakwe超过 5 年前
Might be due to a lack of practical experience (or the low audio quality in the video), but I found it difficult to understand what the human speakers were saying in some parts.<p>As for Parol, though, it was clear as day, and very easy to understand. Nice work!
tyingq超过 5 年前
I hear something (tonal, tempo, not the words really) like the Spanish they speak in Argentina. Like if someone tried mimicking them using nonsense sounds. I guess that makes sense, since Argentina has significant Italian influence?
darkhorn超过 5 年前
Huh! Doesn&#x27;t have vowel harmony. Not gonna work for me.
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