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EU governments choose independence from US cloud providers with Nextcloud

155 点作者 jkire超过 5 年前

15 条评论

Eric_WVGG超过 5 年前
The recent changes to Dropbox incited me to finally build a home NAS&#x2F;personal-cloud server based on Nextcloud last month.<p>My first impressions were a bit negative, as I was expecting &quot;open source Dropbox&quot; and nothing more; Nextcloud actually does quite a lot, which made me think it was bloatware. This is due to my ignorance and jumping in too fast.<p>What Nextcloud actually is: a personal Dropbox-style server, with open source equivalents of Google Docs, calendaring, contacts, notepads, and a complete &quot;app store&quot;. It&#x27;s all really well built, and you can use as much (or in my case, as little) as you feel like. I thought I&#x27;d use none of these apps at all, until I realized that I would really like a Del.icio.us-style [bookmarking app](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apps.nextcloud.com&#x2F;apps&#x2F;bookmarks" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;apps.nextcloud.com&#x2F;apps&#x2F;bookmarks</a>), but had no desire to shop around and adopt something that required a fee or might disappear later.<p>At this point, my only criticisms are that I think the installation should be more idiot-friendly, and the UI smells of 2012.<p>For anyone interested in following suit, I picked up an [Odroid-HC1](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hardkernel.com&#x2F;shop&#x2F;odroid-hc1-home-cloud-one&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hardkernel.com&#x2F;shop&#x2F;odroid-hc1-home-cloud-one&#x2F;</a>) (a bit like a Raspberry Pi, but much higher disk and network performance, at a similar price point) and [NextcloudPi](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ownyourbits.com&#x2F;nextcloudpi&#x2F;#download" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ownyourbits.com&#x2F;nextcloudpi&#x2F;#download</a>) (complete Debian + Nextcloud image). It went swimmingly and cost well under a hundred bucks, not counting the 3.5&quot; hard drive.<p>Nextcloud is backed by a corporation that mostly makes its money off support for the German gov&#x27;t? I think it&#x27;s an ideal solution for any municipality, non-profit, or small-to-large sized company that for whatever reason doesn&#x27;t want to go with a commercial cloud.
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olliej超过 5 年前
Alternatively &quot;Countries that aren&#x27;t the US choose not to work with US companies or subsidiaries because the US gov. has stated that foreign subsidiaries are still beholden to US law over the local law, and the US constitution does not apply to foreigners&quot;.<p>It&#x27;s not just &quot;independence&quot; it&#x27;s literally: you cannot trust a US [owned] company because the US government has said it that US law governs any foreign subsidiaries. Because they&#x27;re now magically subject to US law they have to comply with the patriot act, which is already unconstitutional. But that doesn&#x27;t matter as the US Supreme Court has repeatedly held that the constitution does not apply to foreigners. Therefore they don&#x27;t even need the patriot act: foreigners don&#x27;t get the 4th amendment.<p>If you were the leader of some country, and there was another country acting that way, would you ever want to store any of your information, or rely on services provided by, a company subject to such rules?
wil421超过 5 年前
Do EU governments not have something like FedRamp? I work on a popular SaaS product for enterprises. At my last job I supported a managed service provider who was going after some federal IT outsourcing business.<p>AWS has FedRamp instances in DCs no one else uses. Same with the SaaS system I work on. They had all kinds of restrictions including only allowing US Citizens to access the systems.
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LinuxBender超过 5 年前
Nextcloud is really cool. A coworker had initially set it up for an in-house place for our team to store more sensitive things that we didn&#x27;t want floating around on confluence or google docs. It didn&#x27;t last long. The legal team didn&#x27;t like the AGPL license and we had to abandon the project. Too bad really, the interface is very nice and the file level encryption was a big plus.
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zepearl超过 5 年前
Just asking: the new plans of &quot;Owncloud&quot; won&#x27;t have any repercussion on &quot;Nextcloud&quot;, right? Question based on 1) the fact that Nextcloud is a fork of Owncloud and 2) this post...<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;owncloud.com&#x2F;owncloud-infinite-scale-owncloud-unveils-new-architecture-for-unlimited-scalability&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;owncloud.com&#x2F;owncloud-infinite-scale-owncloud-unveil...</a><p>...as reported e.g. here (I had problems loading the above page):<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;translate.google.com&#x2F;translate?hl=en&amp;sl=de&amp;u=https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.golem.de&#x2F;news&#x2F;infinite-scale-owncloud-aendert-grundlegend-seine-architektur-1907-142723.html&amp;prev=search" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;translate.google.com&#x2F;translate?hl=en&amp;sl=de&amp;u=https:&#x2F;...</a><p>Meaning: Nextcloud won&#x27;t follow a similar direction, right? Thx
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nominated1超过 5 年前
Do EU Governments care about security? Has a proper audit of this monstrosity been done?<p>Or is this just another ploy to get better pricing?
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Havoc超过 5 年前
Glad to see nextcloud getting more punchy support. Could be a big plus for everyone doing self hosting stuff
groundlogic超过 5 年前
France&#x2F;Netherlands&#x2F;Sweden&#x2F;Germany is an interesting mix.<p>(Edit: removed incorrect information.)
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novaRom超过 5 年前
I first thought it&#x27;s about a new competitor for AWS, Azure, Google Cloud. A bit misleading headline. According to Wikipedia: Nextcloud is a suite of client-server software for creating and using file hosting services. More properly would be to say: cloud storage.<p>It&#x27;s very bad Europe has no its own public cloud yet. All universities, schools, research centers, public services can be much more efficient and secure than now. But they will probably fall again into the same trap like it happened with Windows and other proprietary garbage before. Will it be AWS or Azure this time?
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shreyshrey超过 5 年前
We(FileCloud) compete with NextCloud in Self-Hosted EFSS space and part of Gartner MQ. We are seeing more and more government customers are asking for solutions that offer complete control over their data. We have large government and education customers in switzerland and Denmark.
SanchoPanda超过 5 年前
The new dashboard app&#x2F;widget dock looks great. Looks like it&#x27;s a totally different app from the old unmaintained one which got buggy and then low ratings, but the new dev kept that listing and is working to get it back up.<p>Playing life on expert mode, respect.
kissgyorgy超过 5 年前
I&#x27;m so happy to see this, I&#x27;m a huge fan of Nextcloud since I switched from Dropbox and couldn&#x27;t been happier. I never seen such a high quality PHP project, it&#x27;s really simple to operate and upgrade!
DEADBEEFC0FFEE超过 5 年前
If nothing else another player in the market is a good idea. To get government contracts, they would have had meet stringent security standards, it would interesting to know what level they are compliant to.
dafty4超过 5 年前
Could this be the next MiniTel in the making?
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wtdata超过 5 年前
I used Nextcloud for more than one year, but in the end I found it too bloated for my usage and I kept having problems with some outstanding bugs in it.<p>I finally moved to Syncthing one year ago and never had to configure anything else. I have it running in a docker container that gets automatically updated and needed zero configuration since then. It&#x27;s also much faster at syncronizing files than Nextcloud was, and doesn&#x27;t need a central repository.<p>If you don&#x27;t need Nextcloud fancy features and just want a Dropbox self hosted alternative, Syncthing should be the way to go.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;syncthing.net&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;syncthing.net&#x2F;</a>