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You don’t have to be “pro-nuclear” or “anti-nuclear.”

62 点作者 curtis超过 5 年前

12 条评论

viburnum超过 5 年前
Placing some bets on nuclear make sense (France gets 80% of electric generation from nuclear) but counting on nuclear is risky because nobody can make nuclear plants cost efficiently anymore. America should probably keep trying on a small scale and if they can figure it, then ramp up. The big problem is that nuclear is essentially a big government project, and America is very bad at those.
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jay_kyburz超过 5 年前
This is bad writing for a lot of reason.<p>First the author tells us that if we consider ourselves pro or anti nuclear we can&#x27;t possibly have thought through the pros and cons of nuclear power. It must be because we identify ourselves as left or right. Or green or not.<p>Then he tells us that if we _do_ have a policy position, we are probably wrong because &quot;its complicated&quot;. All of which I find mildly insulting.<p>Then he proceeds to look at nuclear &quot;purely though the lens of climate change&quot;, which as far as I&#x27;m concerned is not useful because many of the reasons one might choose to be anti-nuclear are not climate change related.
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gnusty_gnurc超过 5 年前
When Bernie&#x2F;AOC lead with rhetoric like &quot;climate change requires WWII levels of mobilization&quot;, it strikes me odd that they think that level of change is feasible, but that the unprecedented mobilization and centralization of efforts can&#x27;t be applied to nuclear technology. It&#x27;s bizarre and makes me think that it&#x27;s a blatant political agenda much more than sensible application of technology to solve problems in the world.
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csours超过 5 年前
Interesting idea: you can opt out of identity politics.
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rmrfrmrf超过 5 年前
If it&#x27;s really the case that the only way to make nuclear viable is to <i>deregulate the industry</i>, then Bernie is absolutely right that we need to end reliance on nuclear power.
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SubiculumCode超过 5 年前
I have met with quite unreasonable (to my mind) fears about nuclear waste&#x27;s supposed deleterious effects on people and nature, even if stored in a remote underground facility. Whenever people have gut reactions without evidence, the conversation quickly becomes non-productive.
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wazoox超过 5 年前
The main argument against nuclear is that it absolutely requires a highly educated, well organized society and workforce. If something really serious disrupts our elaborated, complex societies, then nuclear plants will become really dangerous.<p>With looming climate change, energy crisis, overpopulation and other problems, you can&#x27;t be sure that we&#x27;ll be in a stable enough world long enough to be completely safe.
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delinka超过 5 年前
&gt; You don&#x27;t have to be &quot;pro-X&quot;or &quot;anti-X&quot;<p>But don&#x27;t we? We have to be completely polarized on every topic. How else will the binary political system survive?<p>OK, onward without the sarcasm ... This same kind of critical thinking must be applied to every issue, or we&#x27;ll just end up in the dark ages again.
elchief超过 5 年前
How do plants deal with rising water from floods, or falling water from drying out, or overly hot cooling water from high temperatures? These are all in our future. I&#x27;m genuinely curious and not trying to troll
kjar超过 5 年前
Sorry folks give up the ghost nuclear was dead at least 3 decades ago. Solar and wind are the future. We don’t have a decade to build a new nuclear plant, in that plan we’d need a time machine going backa decade to abate climate change that’s now locked in. I’ll spare you all the risks and externalities, it’s just dumb. Again sorry.
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fnord77超过 5 年前
50 years ago they said we would have fusion power plants in 50 years.
AstralStorm超过 5 年前
Carbon neutral is a fancy way of saying &quot;let&#x27;s pollute the same as we do now&quot;. Generally achieved via fake offsets, as we do not have the technology to offset something like US pollution.<p>Even EU ETS (the most developed offset system) is much too slow to cause major dent in the problem.<p>Where most climate predictions require us to <i>stop altogether</i> to avoid most painful results of climate change.
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