Bring Back the SE

Seriously. This giant phone trend is nonsense. Nonsense! I&#x27;m a 6&#x27;5&quot; man with large hands who still swears by an SE, despite being mocked by friends and strangers whenever I pull out my &quot;tiny phone&quot;. I had a 6S and promptly ditched it for an SE after feeling like the thing was designed to slip out of my enormous hands. That whole &quot;reachability&quot; feature they added when they started with this phablet obsession was basically an admission of guilt—&quot;Yeah, this phone is too big for your hands and goes completely against our brilliant ad campaign about the phone vs hand size, but Samsung made a big phone and people are buying it! We&#x27;re scared they&#x27;re taking our customers away so we&#x27;re making big phones now. Here&#x27;s a workaround.&quot;<p>Thanks, I hate it.<p>As someone holding on tightly to an out of date iPhone and a 2015 MacBook Pro (oh my god, the current laptop keyboard&#x2F;trackpad&#x2F;port situation is a whole &#x27;nother even more intense rant), I think Apple has fucking lost it product-wise. I&#x27;m saying this as someone who has been on Apple products since 1987 and lived through the dark days of Apple in the 90s.<p>To me it&#x27;s an example of what happens when you put a finance guy and not a product guy at the top of the totem pole. Instead of asking &quot;is this product the best it could be?&quot; the thought process seems to be &quot;Will this product make money? How can it make MORE money?&quot;<p>&quot;Yeah, it doesn&#x27;t sit on a table flat anymore, but it&#x27;ll sell when we market it as &#x27;THE SHINIEST IPHONE EVER&#x27;&quot;<p>&quot;It sure is awkward to use one handed, but it&#x27;ll sell when we market it as &#x27;THE NEWEST IPHONE WE&#x27;VE EVER MADE&#x27;&quot;<p>Bigger and bigger iPhones with better and better cameras and more and more letters tacked on to the end will sell to a captive audience when Apple has the brand power they do. And that might seem good enough when all you&#x27;re doing is comparing yourself to what the rest of the market is releasing, and when market success is beating last year&#x27;s sales. But is that the Apple we want?<p>Nope.<p>I want my Apple back. The SE was the last phone form-factor that still had Steve Job&#x27;s approval on it, and it sucks that it&#x27;s so obvious.

Every year I wait on bated breath at the release of a similarly compact phone to the SE. I even recently bought a new one right before they removed them from the store, so I have 2 year apple care+ for it to tide me over.<p>Ordinarily I would vote with my wallet, but there are no compact Android phones either.<p>Ironically I still own a Oneplus One which is quite old by todays standards; and I distinctly remember it being called a &quot;Phablet&quot; due to it&#x27;s obtuse stature in comparison to its contemporaries. However it would not look out of place today, in fact in comparison to my friends iPhone Xs (not max) it hardly seems at all larger!<p>I would merrily slam down 1K+ EUR for a real flagship phone at a size I can actually use.<p>(also, I wonder how women get on, since generally they have smaller hands than men.)

My work bought me an &quot;upgrade&quot; to the XR, as my SE is starting to show some battery issues. But after a day of playing with the XR, I put it back in the box to send back to Apple.<p>Compared to the SE, the XR is 50% heavier -- even without a case. It doesn&#x27;t have a good edge to hold onto being so thin, so it makes you want to hold on by the front. But every corner of the front of the device is a UI element that you can accidentally interact with. FaceID failed 90% of of the time for me -- and unlike the fingerprint reader, 100% of the time in the dark of night. That&#x27;s before I get to the simple annoyances, like how it&#x27;s not flat, doesn&#x27;t fit in the pocket so well, and blasts my face full of light in the night.<p>So Apple lost a sale by not offering a product I want. If my SE breaks, I&#x27;ll probably just pull my iPhone 1 out of storage -- it still works, has a great form factor, and a much lighter weight than any of Apple&#x27;s current lineup. Sure EDGE is a little slow and I won&#x27;t be able to use my Apple Pay, but those are problems I can live with. I live on large screens all day. I don&#x27;t need a huge phone to be my computer.<p>I want a choice -- even if that choice is a remanufacture of a 2016 design. An updated design -- say an SE&#x2F;30 -- would be great. But between that and the keyboard issues in the Macbooks, they&#x27;ve made an Apple fan with upgrades provided by work skip several product cycles. I read enough of these threads to know I&#x27;m not the only one. I just wish I knew why they kept leaving money on the table in the pursuit of thinness.

My SE will probably be my last iOS device.<p>iOS used to be much better than competition, but I don&#x27;t think that&#x27;s the case now.<p>I never liked big-ass phones, and in my opinion the best iPhone design was the iPhone4, this one was a real masterpiece.<p>But I won&#x27;t pay a premium for a phone I don&#x27;t like, when my SE will no longer do its job, it will be replaced by a cheap Android device.

&gt; Apple discontinued the iPhone SE at the tail end of 2018 and has stated that the next iOS update will not run on the old SE hardware.<p>Apple has in fact stated that iOS 13 will run on the SE:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.apple.com&#x2F;ie&#x2F;ios&#x2F;ios-13&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.apple.com&#x2F;ie&#x2F;ios&#x2F;ios-13&#x2F;</a><p>I believe the internals are approximately the same as the 6S, and I would expect that both will be supported for the same amount of time.

Mostly, I hope they bring TouchID back, preferably via a scanner on the back of the phone.<p>Outside of providing a bigger screen, FaceID is strictly worse:<p>- When I pulled my old iPhone out of my pocket, I would have my finger on the scanner and it would be unlocked before it reached my face. With FaceID on the iPhone X, I have to wait a few seconds.<p>- If you wake up and you&#x27;re squinting as you look at your phone, FaceID won&#x27;t work<p>- If you&#x27;re wearing a hat and sunglasses, FaceID might not work<p>- If you&#x27;re doing something else but you want to unlock your phone on the side in preparation for your next task, you have to stop and look at the phone

I&#x27;ll chime in as another iPhone SE supporter. I&#x27;m still rocking mine, which itself replaced a four year old iPhone 5. Best form factor of any such device I&#x27;ve ever owned. I replaced the battery in both after two years, as the iPhone 5 one was completely shot and the one in my SE was not doing well (and at whatever Apple considers 75%). Otherwise both have been near bulletproof.

&gt; <i>It is unlikely that any of my friends and family members are going to move to Android, where there is a wide variety of hardware form factors to choose from. </i><p>There&#x27;s hardly any good iPhone SE-sized Android phones anymore. I have a Sony Xperia Somethingsomething Compact and it&#x27;s the only option I&#x27;m aware of, and it&#x27;s not really that great. I&#x27;ve never had an iPhone but if they release a new SE I&#x27;d probably jump ship in a heartbeat.

Cool, another supporter of a smaller iPhone. I upgraded my SE to a newer SE after buying a clearance SE from the Apple store. If they could make a high res. screen that essentially is the entire front of the phone (ala the trend for larger phones), I&#x27;d be impressed and upgrade.<p>I wonder what data is motivating Apple with regard to phone sizes. I assume trends towards video and image consumption are really pushing for larger screens. Anyone have any insight or knowledge?

For everyone here saying they can&#x27;t vote with their wallet. You actually can. Apple is so proud of costumer satisfaction. Just buy whatever phone, use it for a day, restore backup to your SE and return the phone saying large screens are not for you. They will see it both as costumer satisfaction statistics and from reactivation of your beloved iPhone SE

Or someone, anyone, make a functional clone of it.<p>I don&#x27;t care much which OS I have to run, they are all the same now. I just want a smart phone that fits in a single hand.<p>I tried the palm and it is a bit too small, and the battery life was insanely bad.

According to rumors, the 2020 iPhone Pro will be reduced from 5.8&quot; to 5.4&quot;, which could look like this (size comparison including SE): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.forbes.com&#x2F;gordonkelly&#x2F;files&#x2F;2019&#x2F;06&#x2F;New-iPhone-5.4-inch-Edited.jpg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blogs.forbes.com&#x2F;gordonkelly&#x2F;files&#x2F;2019&#x2F;06&#x2F;New-iPhon...</a><p>However that size would still be significantly wider horizontally than the SE, pretty much as wide as the 6&#x2F;7&#x2F;8 (which I found too wide for comfortable one-handed use).<p>In addition, they would probably keep the on&#x2F;off button on the side instead of relocating it back to the top. The latter would be my preference, also for consistency with the iPads. When I owned both an iPhone 6 and an iPad mini, my muscle memory couldn&#x27;t quite get used to the inconsistency of the on&#x2F;off button location.

I won&#x27;t upgrade from this old used SE until some phone manufacturer produces a working phone that will fit in a pocket. It boggles the mind. I tried the Jelly Pro, which ran Slack and a handful of critical apps, but the battery life was only a few hours.

I can&#x27;t believe that despite sooo many smartphone models there isn&#x27;t even ONE under 5 inch with a good camera. Two years ago I bought one of the cheapest smartphones on the market (Alcatel Pixi with 4 inch screen) because it was the smallest one I could find - it has the perfect form factor and is good enough for most stuff I use, but one thing I really miss is a good camera. I waited for something better in that size to show up but the phones just get bigger and bigger...

Ive been using SE since the first day it came out and refuse to upgrade for the same reason stated in the post. Just yesterday I was stopped at the airport and security asked me that phone is so small is this new? I had to respond &quot;no its an old iphone&quot;. I have been repeatedly made fun of using a tiny phone while whenever somebody makes this comment back in my mind I think the jokes on you.<p>Can&#x27;t agree more with the sentiment here, great minds do think alike ;)

The SE must be my favourite phone ever since the Nokia 3310 (although the Yotaphone was up there for pure novelty of having an e-ink display on the reverse). It was practically perfect and it could take more of a beating than the latest X series phones.<p>An SE sized X would be nice (with the Face ID and stuff), with a higher screen resolution, but I think it would become more fragile as a result.

Yes .. iPhone 8 size and below.. please. Current sizes are too big to use in one hand without having to reposition the phone (my pet peeve).<p>Touch ID as well. Preferred over Face ID... grab phone with thumb it opens instantly (my personal experience).<p>Another year for myself Im not refreshing my iPhone. I did every year from 2009 to 2018; bought the XS last year and returned it. <i></i>EDITED

I believe in voting with my dollars.<p>I will be waiting for a smaller size phone that doesn&#x27;t compromise on hardware and features, and if Apple doesn&#x27;t make it within a year or so, then I&#x27;ll start to look at alternatives. People talk about how Tim Cook is a logistics master, so it shouldn&#x27;t be difficult to do a smaller sized phone. I don&#x27;t want a cheaper, lower quality phone, I just want an iPhone XS that&#x27;s smaller.

Has anyone experienced more frequent RSI or carpal tunnel syndrome (or any hand pain) as a result of using the larger iPhones? It might just be me, but ever since I transitioned from the old iPhone 4&#x27;s to the iPhone Plus&#x27;, I have had more instances of random hand-related pain.

I just retired my 5s and bought an SE for $100 from a 12 year old. It&#x27;s even rose gold hah.<p>Only reason my 5s needed to go was because it doesn&#x27;t support VoLTE, which the SE does, and is needed to get calls at my house.<p>As others have said, would totally spend $900 on a similar sized phone with upgraded internals. But, looks like I&#x27;ll just hold onto this one for ever...

Apparently Apple has given up on the whole “common sense thing” that the touted during the iPhone 5 days - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;O99m7lebirE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;O99m7lebirE</a>

I owned the SE for ~3 years and I always loved how capable the phone is. It worked well almost like any new iPhone and it has surprisingly good camera too. I recently switched to the Pixel 3A when it came out because the camera was the main reason. After a few months, I see that Pixel 3A camera doesn&#x27;t look as truthful as my old SE. Even though the video has optical stabilizer, it doesn&#x27;t feel as smooth as my SE, and the quality is actually disappointingly worse than my SE. I miss my SE. I do wish Apple update the SE with a new version and I would definitely buy it.

The article says Apple &quot;... has stated that the next iOS update will not run on the old SE hardware.&quot;<p>Not true. iOS 13&#x27;s compatibility list includes iPhone SE (near the bottom): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.apple.com&#x2F;ios&#x2F;ios-13&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.apple.com&#x2F;ios&#x2F;ios-13&#x2F;</a>

I wish Apple would make a good product. I’d be thrilled to drop a grand to get better cpu, storage, ram, and camera.<p>But if I have to give up the phone not falling out of my pockets and breaking, the removal of the aux jack, and the removal of Touch ID, why bother?<p>Are my interests unusual? Do they not want money? I don’t get it.

I currently use a gigantic iPhone X, but I found my old iPhone 5S (basically the same design as the SE) the other day and was amazed at how small it was. That was one of Apple&#x27;s great designs.

Presumably Apple doesn&#x27;t make a new SE because it would kill their margins. And it&#x27;d be hard for them to make the SE expensive because it would probably be thicker, with a cheaper screen, worse battery life and worse performance (because of battery &amp; cooling).<p>But I&#x27;m sure they could come up with some semi-plausible reason to make an &quot;SE Pro&quot; so they can keep those margins. How about owning the extra thickness and giving it a massive battery and using the depth to put killer camera optics in?

My quick prediction is that if Apple intends to continue with the SE, they would quietly announce it around spring next year. Announcing an SE at this time may cannibalize holiday seasons sales.

I&#x27;m also still using an SE and I&#x27;m not sure what I will do if it breaks. I want Apple iOS, but I definitely want the size of SE and nothing bigger. And the 3.5 headphone jack. And the not-too-curved edge so that I can it can stay on it. I&#x27;d pay 500 for a newer model with a newer CPU.

&gt; Presumably Apple doesn&#x27;t make a new SE because it would kill their margins.<p>I think that is not the case. They could just build something with A12 or A13 chip, call it &quot;iPhone Mini&quot; and have high margins again.<p>I think the real deal is mainboard design, case design and all the manufacturing pipeline can&#x27;t scale to 4 models a year. They are focusing on the XR and now they even removed the suffix. They realized the cheaper model must be big enough. So every year they spend the resources there.<p>Maybe next year, they can spend one cycle doing a 4&quot; screen form factor, since this year all the announcements have at least 2 cameras. So maybe next year the Pro will have only one screen size and they can do regular, mini and pro. Each with a different display size.

The bad news is: There is no Android alternative either. Phones with 4&quot; and good processing powers and reasonable cameras just don&#x27;t exist. Really dire situation. I guess I have one more year with iOS 13 before I&#x27;ll need to get used to use an outdated iOS.

No, bring back the iPhone 4S. It was the perfect size and shape. You could even stand it on its side, due to the flat edges. And the square corners made it easier to grip.<p>Even the iPhone 5 was too big.

Yes - the form factor of the SE is just unbeatable. I&#x27;ve remain surprised that Apple moved to and stays with the current form factor.

Love my SE. Replaced the battery for $15 off Amazon yesterday. With replacements available on ebay for under $100, I don&#x27;t have to baby my phone or use a case.<p>If apple offered a modern SE, I&#x27;d probably buy it, but I&#x27;m also quite happy with my SE as-is. If the SE wasn&#x27;t getting iOS 13, I don&#x27;t know what I&#x27;d do... thankfully it is.

Here is my plan: Buy old broken iPhone SEs and go to Apple support to get a replacement for whatever their price is. I&#x27;ll get one for replacing mine (battery issues) and one for myself in the future, in case they really stop manufacturing it. Shame on Apple.

That&#x27;s it, I just replaced my old iphone 6 for a refurbished SE. It&#x27;s a shame, really. I don&#x27;t mind paying the iphone 11 pro max price for something that hold in my hand, but apparently the market disagree.

And don’t forget that a new iPhone with the size of an SE but design of the X would have a display size of around the iPhone 6&#x2F;7&#x2F;8 and make those phones entirely obsolete yet being smaller.

I think most people who like the SE have small hands, and I don&#x27;t know why apple would dismiss that market. I have finger sausages so I appreciate the bigger screen and keyboard. I think apple thinks in terms of sheer profit and don&#x27;t care about people with small hands and small pockets. Little do they know the small hands will pay a premium as well to have an Apple so even that doesn&#x27;t really make any sense except to bean counters in cubes.

Paid $299 for a new old stock from apple - 128GB SE. I looked at which of the modem bands fit my use case the best and got the T-mobile version. My second se, upgraded from 16GB version when camera optics seriously degraded after rugged use, and found apple charges for a whole phone to change the lens. Love the phone. I told IT when they asked what phone i wanted to “get me the small one - to fit in my skinny jeans”. I don&#x27;t wear skinny jeans, but they got the point.

I bought the SE for my kid ($149 on Amazon) as he was getting frustrated when using my old iPhone 4 which was slow and unresponsive. He absolutely loves it and I&#x27;m kind of jealous of how small, lightweight and portable it is vs my iPhone XS - definitely the best price&#x2F;form factor for kids and can definitely see the appeal of smaller phones esp. if you don&#x27;t spend a lot of time in using App&#x27;s or browsing where the small screen real-estate hurts UX.

&gt; It is unlikely that any of my friends and family members are going to move to Android, where there is a wide variety of hardware form factors to choose from. The iOS lockin is very powerful.<p>The worst thing is that despite this there are basically no high-end small phones in Android either! Once you look at phones smaller than like 5 inches you get into very weird or super low-end phones that are basically unusable.<p>Hell, even the iphone 8 and X is smaller than most androids

I apologize if this is a naive question, but why doesn&#x27;t Apple continue to sell the SE if it was popular and there is a continued market for it?

I don’t mind the larger phones, but I feel a lot of work could be done on keeping all input to one side or the other, easing single digit input.

My next phone after the SE will hopefully be a standalone Apple Watch (Cellular) with some AirPods.<p>Once watchOS grows independent enough from the iPhone...

Nothing wrong with the current SE. I’m typing on it now. :-) (other than all the websites that stopped testing on small screens... looking at you Reddit).<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dropbox.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;wwe4m83my4zj4ul&#x2F;Photo%20Sep%2010%2C%209%2022%2037%20AM.png?dl=0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dropbox.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;wwe4m83my4zj4ul&#x2F;Photo%20Sep%2010%2...</a>

I still have my first iPhone, a 3G with the curved back. Every once in a while I pick it up and always marvel at how comfortable it is in my hand compared to the iPhone X I use now. I oouldn&#x27;t possibly go back to using a screen that small but would definitely give up <i>some</i> screen size to regain a bit of that old &quot;nice to hold&quot; feel.

EDIT: Never mind, OP is right, I had this wrong. Thanks, 333c.<p><i>Apple discontinued the iPhone SE at the tail end of 2018</i><p>Actually it was on September 12, 2017, the day they announced the iPhone X [1], even if they had it on sale for a while early this year.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;IPhone_SE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;IPhone_SE</a>

I&#x27;ve been stuck on the iPhone SE since release and refuse to switch even though the home button is broken. I would consider switching to Android if a manufacturer released a premium phone with SE-like dimensions. There&#x27;s literally nothing on the market with a decent spec anymore. &quot;Compact&quot; phones now have screens that are &gt; 6 inches.

Macrumors just reported the other day that there may in fact be an SE 2 or equivalent coming in the spring: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.macrumors.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;09&#x2F;04&#x2F;apple-to-launch-low-cost-iphone-early-2020&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.macrumors.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;09&#x2F;04&#x2F;apple-to-launch-low-cos...</a>

I feel like the only one who thinks the Xs size is perfect compared to the SE. If you polled everyone online they just want the SE.

Is there even a good 4&quot; Android to switch over to at this point? Their flagship phones also seem to be slowly expanding.

&gt; iOS lockin is very powerful<p>Loved the smaller form factor and switched to Pixel when the phones got bigger and more expensive.<p>But I didn&#x27;t feel the software lockin — I was using Google maps, mail, cal, docs, etc., plus Spotify etc., etc., and that became easier when I switched to the Pixel, less fighting with the OS.<p>Have others found the switch difficult?

I think Apple&#x27;s answer to that is a watch with LTE. Seriously.<p>My GF controls her apple watch by voice, glances at imessages on the screen and replies by voice, and really only pulls out her phone when seated or waiting-while-standing.<p>I doubt a modernized SE-sized device could meet Apple&#x27;s margin needs.

Make sure to give Apple the feedback directly: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.apple.com&#x2F;feedback&#x2F;iphone.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.apple.com&#x2F;feedback&#x2F;iphone.html</a><p>Not likely it will change any strategic direction, but more official feedback might sway things a tiny bit.

Please do it. I would buy it on a heartbeat. I don’t like carrying this tablet sized display (XS). I miss my SE, it was just too sluggish and restarting too much when I replaced it. Also, I have a feeling that the reason why they don’t do it is because bigger screen generate more engagement.

I was holding my old iPhone3 in my hands a few days ago (one of my kids have collected a few phones in the house over the years). It felt so good, light and small. I really long for a phone in that form-factor again, the big phones of today is just silly.

Here I was thinking the author was suggesting bringing back the Macintosh SE, but with, oh, a retina display, 12 cores, 4 TB of SSD, powerful mini-speakers, and ... a small drink-refrigerator or maybe a place to hold a potted plant. That would have been cool.

&gt; So Apple doesn’t need to do this so much for business reasons. But I do think they should do this for other reasons.<p>It is interesting to know someone thinks that such a successful mega Corp like Apple has or even should have some other reasons besides business.

I used to think that compact sized phone such as SE (or Sony compact range) were perfect size for me. Until I got a Galaxy S8 and realized that, as long as width is ok, I can stand a long screen. Even the S9 (at about 1mm wider) feels too wide.

If you still use an SE you&#x27;re instantly my friend. This is a battle worth fighting.

Silly question, but what does he mean by the iOS lock-in? I have both an Android (personal) and iphone (work) and don&#x27;t find anything particularly appealing about the iphone wrt to a much much cheaper Huawei (besides a faster camera)

I would absolutely through money at a better phone, but I&#x27;m holding out with an iPhone 8 because anything bigger heavier is uncomfortable. There are rumours to 2020 flag ship will be smaller, I&#x27;m looking forward to that.

The SE would probably also be better from an environmental perspective, since it would use fewer materials. Why are they forcing everyone to buy big phones, whether they like them or not?

i love all the things an iphone has to offer. but on top i have the following three requirements.<p>1. need to reach all screen corners with one thumb: one-handed usage 2. be flat on all sides, don‘t fucking wobble: no bulges 3. i will touch it for interaction; don‘t look at me: touch id<p>now, looking at what apple serially delivers, these things are not impossible for them to achieve. the question is, why do they go the other way and try to sell me phones too slim to properly house the camera.

My SE is still serving me well. The small form factor was definitely the deciding factor for me. I like being able to comfortably sit down with my phone in my front pocket.

I think the Google Pixel 3a is the best reasonably sized and reasonably priced phone for most people. Performance is good, camera is great, price is sensible.

my SE 64GB is nearing the end of it’s useful life (battery is old, dust on the front and main camera, broken back glass ). I’m looking into either a second hand 128GB SE or getting an out of warranty repair. The small size and one handedness are just essential features in so many situations.<p>i really wish they made an updated SE with a full screen front and updated cameras. And the real black aluminium back. from the iphone 5.

I bought a new SE earlier this year, but managed to completely shatter the screen <i>twice</i> and gave up on it. Still holding onto a 6S.

Sometimes I use my SE to listen to music without headphones and it amazes me compared to the garbage speakers in my monitors.

I have an 7 plus and will hold on to it for as long as I could until a smaller iPhone (&lt;4.5 in) comes along.

I suspect the popularity of the large form factor phones is boomers who have aging eyesight and motor skills.

I’ll repost an old comment: I’d like an iPod Touch with cellular.<p>Until then, I’ll keep my iPhone SE and disable JavaScript.

Remember with iPods they kept trying to make them smaller and smaller? iPhone nano or iPhone Air please.

I asked a phoneseller friend about it &#x27;People don&#x27;t want those phones&#x27; was the answer.

So let me get this straight: the author admits Apple doesn&#x27;t need to do this for business reasons, but is asking them to be nice and do it for other reasons? And the option of, you know, using one&#x27;s market power to give Apple an incentive to do it for business reasons isn&#x27;t on the table?<p>Does the term &quot;self-inflicted wound&quot; ring a bell?

Anyone else having connection problems with AVC.com? I couldn&#x27;t find an archive link.

I want a smaller size phone as well. Give me something the size of the original iPhone.

The iPhone 7 can be gotten for quite cheap these days and it’s a nice size IMO

Does anyone have a source for the claim of dropped support in iOS 14?

At least I’m happy to see small form factor still got audience.

Bring back TouchID too.

I use the Sony xperia compact &#x2F; minis. They are great!

Maybe we just aren’t the target market for Apple phones.

I really liked my SE&#x2F;30. Even had Ethernet.

Still using an SE, it’s the best

It&#x27;s coming in the spring.

Please give avc.com to someone who does video compression.

Keeping SE supported fragments iOS market and burden the developers. iPhone 8 is now the low-cost iPhone roughly at SE price point with a screen size that you kind of have to support anyway.

I have a SE for work but a Xiaomi Mi 9 for personal use. I just can&#x27;t get used to iOS and the small SE. Cant type a decent message on it and the UI, although easy, just makes me feel I&#x27;m missing out on efficiency.<p>Not to mention I don&#x27;t really care for apple products besides my old iPod (and of course the old stuff like the Apple][).