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The Rise of the Electric Scooter

258 点作者 idoco超过 5 年前

30 条评论

eldenbishop超过 5 年前
I rode a non-electric kick scooter (Xootr) for three years working in downtown SF. It is by far the best form of transitional transport there is and superior to bikes for 99% of actual real world travel. It was easily 4-5 times faster than walking and more importantly suddenly made the entire city open due to how insanely efficient it was for "glueing" together various forms of public transport. I could hop from transport hub to transport hub insanely quickly and the entire system suddenly worked in a way that did not happen with walking or biking. Some people say walk, but it's too slow and a 1/2 mile "walk" section on a complicated transport route would be impractical on foot. Biking is fast enough for long trips but massively inconvenient for quick trips to a store or park or restaurant. A scooter on the other hand could be with me all day, I can take it into the store with me, I can take it on the bus. Transition cost from arrival to getting on the bus or walking into a store was seconds instead of minutes with a bike. The scooter had tons of upsides and the only downside was, at the time, that it was kind of embarrassing to be seen on. People talk to much about the "last-mile" as if the only travel people do is on massive transport corridors to and from work. The scooter solves the transport mesh, the hops and transitions of actual day-to-day living.
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com2kid超过 5 年前
I am amused this is still a topic of discussion in America.<p>Visit China sometime, electric motor scooters (larger than the kids versions we have here[1]) and motorbikes are everywhere, the large majority of small vehicles on the road there are now electric.<p>It is super nice, the streets are far cleaner and quieter than just a few years ago.<p>One huge benefit China has is an existing infrastructure for smaller vehicles, there is either a grade separation or a fence that differentiates small vehicles from larger ones.<p>On narrow urban streets speeds are lower so the separation is not needed. This is actually a great example of how making streets smaller can increase throughput, if bikes + electric bikes + motor scooters + cars all share the same road, more traffic can fit on the street once people who would be in individual occupancy cars feel comfortable moving to more space efficient forms of transportation.<p>Meanwhile in America we paint a tiny narrow bike lane on the road and pretend the white line is going to stop accidents.<p>Bonus: Electric motorbikes &#x2F; motor scooters can have canopies on top, helping alleviate some of the weather issues.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiztem.en.made-in-china.com&#x2F;product&#x2F;hygJHVvFMlcN&#x2F;China-Best-Selling-EEC-Approved-1500W-60V-Electric-Scooter-Harley-City-Coco.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wiztem.en.made-in-china.com&#x2F;product&#x2F;hygJHVvFMlcN&#x2F;Chi...</a>
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dognotdog超过 5 年前
Back in ca 2001-2005 I used to work my summer nights for a tiny electric scooter rental place that had about 10-20 working scooters at a given time, renting them out to tourists at a lake, and they were fun, especially after learning how to tune the controller for a nice speed boost (for staff use only, of course). There were no serious accidents in all the time I worked there, even though the main customers were flip-flop wearing tourists and kids, driving these for the first time in crowded pedestrian areas.<p>For all intents and purposes, they worked and felt like the modern scooters, except that they had quick swap, fast charge AGM batteries. If we wanted to run an errand the next town over that would exceed a 30-40min ride (30min was a typical rental period), we&#x27;d just pack some extra batteries!<p>Those scooters were custom inventions, but larger scale commercialization never got anywhere and the business eventually died because of the battery tech being too cumbersome for consumer use, and the same legal questions that still plague us today, though it seems like electric bike usage the past 15 years has allowed at least some legislatures to give alternative powered transport a chance. As they should, as replacing large lumps of metal moving through our cities at unsafe speeds with much smaller lumps of metal moving a lot slower can only be a good thing for residents, pedestrians, and the environment.
Zenst超过 5 年前
Here in the UK they are illegal (unless used on private land), which is sad as whilst they are illegal as technically a motor vehicle, needing some form of test, insurance, mot.... That has not happened and in limbo as clearly a need for some standards control etc, but an unwillingness to address that and more so a periodic fashion stopping of people upon such vehicles in an apathetic way that causes many to get one, go months, even years without knowing they are breach of the law and driven past many police&#x2F;traffic wardens, then suddenly one day they stop you and caution you saying you can&#x27;t. They then go back to ignoring it as a low-priority issue and the limbo of not legal as no formal way to allow one, yet readily sold and accessible.<p>So for the UK, such rise is randomly curtailed and no progress upon legal avenues to use them as you would intend beyond private land - which many do not own in London, an area in which such modes of transport are most suited.<p>[EDIT ADD] A better read upon what I said :- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;uk-48106617" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;uk-48106617</a>
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throw0101a超过 5 年前
Perhaps it&#x27;s because I have a motorcycle, but every time I come across the word &quot;scooter&quot; what comes to mind is a Vespa-like vehicle.<p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Scooter#Vehicles" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Scooter#Vehicles</a><p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Kick_scooter" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Kick_scooter</a><p>* <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Scooter_(motorcycle)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Scooter_(motorcycle)</a><p>I&#x27;m curious about the etymology for each type, and how both ended up using the same word.
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rvanmil超过 5 年前
I&#x27;ve been riding a Micro Falcon X3 for a few months now. Almost all electric scooters are illegal here in The Netherlands, but Micro sells two models which were adjusted to be legal; the throttle has been disabled and you have to actually kick to start moving and keep kicking regularly to keep the electric motor going.<p>My experience with it is it&#x27;s a very fun way to commute and I prefer it to my bike. Most of the time I&#x27;m moving faster than all bikes, but just like the article I do agree with the 15 mph speed limit, because I really don&#x27;t want to be going any faster with this thing. When I just started riding and was still learning how to stand and keep in control, a couple of times it shot away from under my feet and I hit the road pretty hard (on my feet luckily).<p>I&#x27;m not wearing a helmet or any other protective gear, I don&#x27;t think that is necessary anymore than when riding a bike in NL (we have bike lanes <i>everywhere</i>). But if I had to travel on the road with cars then I probably would wear a helmet.<p>As for the goofy look mentioned by others in the comments, I don&#x27;t know if that&#x27;s true and I&#x27;m not the type of person that cares. I do get a lot of people looking at me though, but that&#x27;s probably because they hardly ever see an electric scooter around here, or they think I&#x27;m doing something illegal and in NL the rules are the rules and deviation is not acceptable! ;)
molodec超过 5 年前
Ok, I understand that there is a lot of benefits to electric scooters. They are fun, convenient, and allow to navigate quickly, and great for the environment, or at least better than cars. Why not driving regular bicycles? Obesity is a growing problem, because people don&#x27;t exercise enough. Mechanical bicycle is a great low impact activity for modern life. Also, bicycles aren&#x27;t generally allowed on a sidewalk, but I have seen people ride on them sidewalks. The author of the article, who is by the way the indoor enthusiasts, feels that scooters shouldn&#x27;t be disallowed on the sidewalks. We need to place for people to walk without worrying about being hit by a scooter. We have roads for motor vehicles and we have side walks for people. Let&#x27;s keep it this way.
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mturmon超过 5 年前
Honest question: How do people lock these things if visiting a shop for a half-hour?<p>(Edited to add: Sorry for confusion! I&#x27;m talking about an owned model like the one in OP, the Xiaomi Mi M365 - I looked at some product imagery and it wasn&#x27;t clear if this was possible.)
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mips_avatar超过 5 年前
I recently bought a Boosted rev and have been using it for my 1.8 miles commute. I strongly disagree with the author&#x27;s 15mph limit. I think 25 mph is a more reasonable limit, otherwise you have cars aggressively trying to pass you on roads. At 24 mph (my scooters max speed), the cars on my commute (25mph speed limit), still try to pass me sometimes but it&#x27;s a lot safer.
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melling超过 5 年前
The last mile has been solved?<p>Now we simply need to make the 50-75 miles in-between more bearable. Hopefully, someday soon we’ll be covering that vast distance at the incredible speed of 100 mph (160 kph)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnn.com&#x2F;travel&#x2F;article&#x2F;china-driverless-maglev-trains&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cnn.com&#x2F;travel&#x2F;article&#x2F;china-driverless-maglev-t...</a>
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trenning超过 5 年前
I&#x27;d love to get an electric scooter for commuting but my commute is a little long (and very hilly in Seattle). I occasionally commute on my electric bike though and it&#x27;s a blast. It&#x27;s also the fastest mode of travel hands down in the city, second only to my regular motorcycle.<p>The biggest thing with these low end electric bikes&#x2F;scooters is that they have a hard time with the hills and really slow down and burn through power on them. My bike will do ~45mph but there&#x27;s hills on my commute where I top out at ~19mph (with a running start of ~30mph).<p>But if you&#x27;re commute in &lt;5mi I think the scooter might be the best because as other have noted it&#x27;s the most convenient, being able to take it inside with you to stores or hop on the bus or toss it in a car are extremely valuable features to me. Theft is my biggest concern but again with a cheap scooter you aren&#x27;t out too bad if it gets jacked.
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impalallama超过 5 年前
As much some cities are struggling to figure out how to regulate them I think my city has basically nailed it first try. Give a license or two to certain companies to allow their scooters and other wise just use them like bikes. Keep them off side walks that are for pedestrians and otherwise use bike lanes. Just makes sense.
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raintrees超过 5 年前
I watched the same battery technology improvement play out in tools at the hardware store. There are now whole kits for the mobile contractor they call &quot;wireless&quot;...
squarefoot超过 5 年前
I would buy one right now if it had larger wheels and proper brakes. In my area such small wheels would turn any speed bump or road irregularities (pretty normal over here) into a fatal accident waiting to happen.
segmondy超过 5 年前
Lots of places are not even bicycle safe and walkable. So I don&#x27;t even see how Electric scooter will work in those locations. I notice it&#x27;s adopted in places where people can walk and bike.
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russellbeattie超过 5 年前
Got my kid a FreeGoUSA.com scooter a year or so ago before he had his driver&#x27;s license. This scooter is a dual motor version with a massive battery - it weighs 75 pounds, goes 30mph and has a 20-30 mile range. Once he got his license, I assumed he&#x27;d probably want to just drive a car, but he much prefers the scooter: Faster in traffic, no need to fill it with gas. In fact, the scooter has completely reshaped his perception of gasoline and cars - it just seems like a horrible waste of money while also polluting. Can&#x27;t say I disagree with him.
clairity超过 5 年前
not sure where jeff got the the initial $800 price of the m365. even his camelcamelcamel chart shows a $600 ceiling. i bought mine at $500 and can confirm that getting it at $350 is a no-brainer.<p>as he says, it absolutely extends your range for all kinds of situations (yes, even carry one in your car). it’s not very rugged so put slime in the tires as he says and expect some other things to break. i disagree about taking it in stores—it’s awkward but totally acceptable in most places you’d ride a scooter to (grocery store, cafe, target, etc)<p>definitely looking forward to the pro!
ZoomZoomZoom超过 5 年前
I ride a regular non-electric scooter regularly and the biggest problem with it is the weather. The scooter solves the &quot;last mile&quot; problem for me, but I can depend on it only for ~7 months in a year, which means I can&#x27;t really plan my commute, choose the places where I live and work.<p>I don&#x27;t see this problem discussed enough and can&#x27;t imagine anything better than public transport for the winter. It&#x27;s a real bummer.
mrwww超过 5 年前
I have lived in Shanghai and had an electric scooter as my main mode of transportation for several years, its incredible for city traffic and i miss it.<p>However, I dont get why everyone is using these standup kickbike type scooters... those suck, clearly.<p>Scooters like Niu is where its at: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.niu.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.niu.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;</a>
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Yuval_Halevi超过 5 年前
I&#x27;m living in Tel Aviv<p>It&#x27;s crazy to see how in 2-3 years there are thousands of people using electric scooters and bikes.<p>The only problem is that it grows in such a rapid pace that the city is not built to it. There are many small incidents, and in many cases, those incidents are pretty risky.
6gvONxR4sf7o超过 5 年前
It&#x27;s weird how so much of the conversation about these is how they look. If everyone rode them, they&#x27;d look normal. If the looked normal, more people would ride them. Is the only solution to have early adopters who don&#x27;t give a crap?
dawhizkid超过 5 年前
I wonder why mopeds have never taken off in the US. Seems more practical than a scooter for medium to long distances within a city. I have relatives in Taiwan and mopeds are everywhere there (and other parts of Asia).
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lacker超过 5 年前
How steep of a hill can you get up with these things? My street is pretty hilly and I would hate to shell out for a cool device that I have to lug the last two blocks to my house.
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Slimbo超过 5 年前
Isn&#x27;t the best solution for &quot;last mile&quot; for all of us is to walk it?
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Sephr超过 5 年前
Personally I&#x27;ve enjoyed this new micromobility solution: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;uniscoot.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;uniscoot.com</a>
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paulpauper超过 5 年前
a segway is not like a scooter at all.The segway uses gyroscopic technology to be stable even if it not moving or moving very slowly. This makes segways ideal for malls or anywhere there are a lot of people and speed is not paramount
taylorlapeyre超过 5 年前
I wish they didn&#x27;t look so silly to ride. I know that scooters will slowly become more ubiquitous and, as a result, will be considered more normal and less goofy to ride.<p>But for now, it just kinda looks goofy to a lot of people.
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jossmexico超过 5 年前
if we take the quantum of transportation how small can it get? A scooter?
cdnsteve超过 5 年前
I&#x27;m sorry but really? Unless you live in California under a direct and major urban center, this is a joke. Canadian winters are -30 celcius. Future of transportation, no. Large vehicles and smaller forms of transportation should in no way &quot;share the roadway&quot;. It&#x27;s complete madness and dangerous. The Netherlands and Amsterdam in particular have this figured out long ago, smaller, separate lanes - not a white line. North America still doesn&#x27;t get it.
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ocdtrekkie超过 5 年前
As a suburban dweller who doesn&#x27;t go into the city much, it&#x27;s still surreal to hear so many stories about the electric scooter craze, to know its happening thirty or forty miles away... And I&#x27;ve literally never seen it.<p>I do feel its a good companion to public transit in theory, though it still lacks everything I want from you know, just having a car: Somewhere to put stuff. I never commute light enough to live off a scooter.
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