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Thomas Cook collapses, stranding 150k UK holidaymakers

309 点作者 daanavitch超过 5 年前

19 条评论

rwmj超过 5 年前
I guess as they&#x27;ve gone bust I can tell this story now ... I used to consult for Thomas Cook about 15 years ago, and they were a basketcase of a company even back them, so this doesn&#x27;t surprise me. I feel sorry for all the reps and workers out in the field and on the planes who will lose their jobs because of the profligacy of the Peterborough head office.<p>Two examples of stupidity stick with me. One was that at the time they outsourced their website to their main competitor. Which as you can imagine worked well because their competitor had no desire at all to fix the many problems with the website. TC didn&#x27;t understand that the website was everything because they were at heart a high street travel agency.<p>The other was when I worked on managing their AdWords account, which was enormous (like 100K different keywords in thousands of groups). Some keywords would be bid at £10s of pounds. It is very easy to lose a lot of money on these keywords because there&#x27;s a fine balance between the profit you make on each holiday (usually £100-ish), versus paying a large amount of money on each keyword and the number of sales you make at the end of the &quot;sales tunnel&quot;. There was also a weekly industry survey which came out ranking the position of all the travel websites according to number of visitors (I forget the name of it). Senior managers at TC were fascinated by &quot;being number one&quot; on this survey every week, and so would instruct us to dial up the keyword bids on Friday night and run like this over the weekend. Google AdWords with high bids is very effective at bringing large numbers of low quality visitors to the website.<p>Each week they would indeed come number one on this survey (read only by other senior managers in the travel industry), while at the same time losing tens of thousands of pounds selling holidays for negative profit.
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FartyMcFarter超过 5 年前
&gt; Customers at a hotel in Tunisia reported being locked in by security guards as the hotel demanded extra money, fearing it would not be paid by Thomas Cook.<p>This is quite bad behaviour from the hotel. Presumably their business relationship is with Thomas Cook, not the people on holidays?<p>They went as far as grabbing people who jumped a wall in an attempt to get out!<p>More details here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;uk-49787563" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;uk-49787563</a><p>The hotel is this one, maybe one to avoid: &quot;Les Orangers resort in Hammamet, near Tunis.&quot;
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CaliforniaKarl超过 5 年前
I don&#x27;t think &quot;stranding&quot; is the right word.<p>For some time now, UK companies selling &quot;package holidays&quot; (with hotel, air, etc. all from one vendor and with one bill) are required to put up funds that the government uses to repatriate those who are already traveling when a company goes under:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.caa.co.uk&#x2F;atol-protection&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.caa.co.uk&#x2F;atol-protection&#x2F;</a><p>Note that it does not cover trips that people put together themselves; in that case, I expect they&#x27;d only have to arrange for a flight home (as they paid for the other parts themselves).<p>The CAA (the UK&#x27;s Civil Aviation Authority) already has a site up for Thomas Cook customers:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thomascook.caa.co.uk" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thomascook.caa.co.uk</a>
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wp381640超过 5 年前
Reminder again to never hold gift cards. I had a family member who was gited a $3,000 travel voucher with an agency - I told them to exchange it in for flights asap as you can book up to a year out, change the tickets later and it&#x27;s better to be a creditor with a national airline than a likely-going-out-of-business-because-of-online travel agency
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fasicle超过 5 年前
Thomas Cook to cost the taxpayer £100m for the repatriation of Thomas Cook customers - known as Operation Matterhorn.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;live&#x2F;business-49770809" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;live&#x2F;business-49770809</a>
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beaker52超过 5 年前
It&#x27;s always blown my mind that companies like this will operate not having enough cash on hand to actually provide the services they&#x27;ve sold.<p>Maybe that&#x27;s why they&#x27;re in business and I&#x27;m not.
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HenryBemis超过 5 年前
I was always wondering about the profit margins of these companies. From their prices I always felt that I am paying a portion of the previous guy&#x27;s vacations. I&#x27;d call it a pyramid scheme, only everybody loses.
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dehrmann超过 5 年前
I was recently debating booking a flight to Europe on Norwegian. It didn&#x27;t affect my decision, but I&#x27;m very aware that they&#x27;re struggling financially, so I&#x27;d only buy the tickets less than a month out on a credit card so it&#x27;s the bank&#x27;s money, and if they declared bankruptcy and cancelled flights, c&#x27;est la vie.
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barsonme超过 5 年前
Does this mean Condor Airlines is shutting down as well?<p>Their website[1] says they&#x27;re continuing to fly, but I&#x27;m wondering if there any sort of precedent for what happens to child companies when the parent becomes insolvent.<p>Having just returned just last week from Europe via Condor Airlines, I&#x27;m glad I don&#x27;t have to worry about this mess.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.condor.com&#x2F;us" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.condor.com&#x2F;us</a>
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Scoundreller超过 5 年前
Guardian reports:<p>&gt; Dozens of charter planes have been brought in from as far afield as Malaysia to assist with the mass airlift.<p>Getting a charter plane has been quite difficult since the 737MAX grounding.<p>Any excess capacity has been soaked up.<p>There have been lots of unusual chartering by airlines that don’t usually charter. Air Canada had been using some, and it’s exceptionally rare for them to not use AC-branded planes.<p>At least it’s not the high season.
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sek超过 5 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;finance.yahoo.com&#x2F;quote&#x2F;TCG.L&#x2F;balance-sheet?p=TCG.L" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;finance.yahoo.com&#x2F;quote&#x2F;TCG.L&#x2F;balance-sheet?p=TCG.L</a><p>This looks really bleak, everybody who had some liabilites to Thomas Cook in any way should at least consider the chance of insolvency.<p>The hotels should be able to check this information, but consumers?<p>Every person who gets a new phone contract has his credit rating checked, but if hundreds of thousand people buy expensive flights nobody warns them about the risk.
greglindahl超过 5 年前
One interesting part of the news coverage is that there are 600k customers involved, and only 150k of them are UK holidaymakers. Notice the lack of coverage of the other 450k?
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totaldude87超过 5 年前
How come a company that is trusted by half a million travelers (at the end of a holiday season) can this easily go bankrupt?.. Is this a case of bad management or cheap travel models or what..<p>cant see any details on when they started seeing issues, and how did they end up like this..<p>edit: here is how -- Thomas Cook returned to private ownership in 1972 and has seen a series of mergers and takeovers. In 2007, it merged with the UK-listed owner of Airtours, MyTravel Group, which nearly collapsed in 2011 but was bailed out by its banks. The rescue left Thomas Cook with a debt burden of £1.7bn and the company struggled to cope, leaving administration as the only option.
nkingsy超过 5 年前
I was not familiar with the term holidaymaker, and thought it was corporate speak for a Thomas Cook employee. Very confused until halfway through the article.
Exquisites超过 5 年前
That&#x27;s a damn shame. I used to fly with them for next to nothing. Decent airline. Never would consider staying in their crappy hotels though. This will have a major effect on low-cost long-range tourism. Everybody is going to bump their prices up a notch.
PhilWright超过 5 年前
Why do these travel companies always go bust in a way that leaves people stranded?<p>Surely the management must have known a week or two ago that the company was about to go under. In that case, stop anyone flying out but still bring people back. By the time they actually cease trading there should be few people left abroad. Some managers in Thomas Cook must have known that people flying out were going to end up stranded and they just let them go.
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benj111超过 5 年前
Frankly I think its amazing that all these people can expect to be repatriated, relatively problem free, it&#x27;s like a bank collapse, but you have to herd people.<p>And the scale. Operation Market Garden <i>only</i> dropped 40,000 troops. D day only managed to land 150,000 on the first day.
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andrewstuart超过 5 年前
Is this brexit related?
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lettergram超过 5 年前
Strange... must be down from the 600k reported by Business Insider:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.businessinsider.com&#x2F;thomas-cook-bankrupt-airline-stranded-rescue-2019-9?utm_source=reddit.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.businessinsider.com&#x2F;thomas-cook-bankrupt-airline...</a>
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