Update from Chef

Another reminder that bad press and community&#x2F;customer pressure indeed <i>works</i>. And there&#x27;s nothing wrong with that.

The problem with this is the mob too quickly concludes CBP provides <i>no</i> valuable service to the nation (i.e., service worth contract support) because of a policy I don&#x27;t like. That really is unjustified, I think.<p>The same is true of law enforcement generally. Police get a lot of hate on HN because of some obviously over-the-top policies that need to be corrected. But we would have major problems without law enforcement, including CBP.<p>We should address the issues without taking them to the extremes. This applies pretty broadly in politics these days, sadly.

&gt; Policies such as family separation and detention did not yet exist.<p>Um... what? ICE has been around since Bush. And Obama, IIRC&lt; did some &quot;detention reforms&quot; while he was in office.<p>Look, ICE does more than just &quot;separate families&quot; they also fight human&#x2F;sex trafficking and they also a bunch of other stuff. I get that you may disagree with the detention stuff, but what about their work in other areas?

That&#x27;s harsh. Once you&#x27;re dug into a conf mgmt system it&#x27;s hard to dig yourself out.<p>I&#x27;ve never used Chef myself but I have noticed some message board posts lately claiming it&#x27;s dead in the water and Ansible is the victor.<p>I&#x27;ve used Ansible since it came out, came straight from Puppet, so I&#x27;m biased. But I don&#x27;t care what you use, as long as it works.

Good. Actions like Chef&#x27;s create a business opportunity for the rest of us. There&#x27;s nothing wrong with working with defense and security sector. When SV companies refuse to enter this sector, they create a vacuum for others to fill and profit.<p>This sector is important. Quality is essential. The stakes are high. I&#x27;d rather the work get done by people who are proud to do it than by people who detest the whole enterprise. Which do you think is going to lead to higher quality?<p>Thank you, Chef.

I don&#x27;t know much about chef (have used ansible and salt-stack). In a previous story, it talked about how a developer removed his code from a repository of Ruby Gems that chef uses, and broke many systems that had that as a dependency. And that Chef then &quot;fixed the issue&quot; after a bit of time.<p>I&#x27;m just wondering, to publish these GEMS for chef, do you have to sign over your copyright? or is there a specific licensing requirement?

Isn&#x27;t chef open source? This just means that ICE will hire a few people to maintain their build pipeline rather than outsourcing it to a third party.

I&#x27;m curious with choices like this: how, concretely, does this change anything for the better? Was Chef on the critical path for any of ICE&#x27;s distasteful work? If not, which part of the agency (and in support of which mission) was Chef working with, and is it good to impair that?

This kind of making IBM look smart wrt to <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=5138866" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=5138866</a>

So much pearl clutching and &quot;but Obama&quot; in this thread.<p>You&#x27;ve poisoned discourse to a degree where you no longer can see the plain truth that publicly acting like a hateful ghoul does not ingratiate you with the general public.<p>The invisible hand of the free market has spoken, and it isn&#x27;t touching that with a 10-foot pole. Get over it.

Who is Barry? (legitimate question) Im assuming head of sales at Chef? After a quick search on Twitter and Youtube he&#x27;s the CEO

I love this kind of free-market activism. I just wish people didnt force people to bake cakes

Good, but not enough.<p>They also need to cancel their contracts with DHS, the Police, the Army, and any other US Gov agency, especially while Trump is in power.

I really don&#x27;t understand how can people associate a tool with an ideology.<p>Do we stop manufacturing cars because it helps support many unfavorable people&#x2F;organizations?

Summary: &quot;After deep introspection and dialog within Chef, we will not renew our current contracts with ICE and CBP when they expire over the next year. Chef will fulfill our full obligations under the current contracts.&quot;<p>What&#x27;s ICE and CBP?

&gt;&gt; Policies such as family separation and detention did not yet exist.<p>Family separation has exited way before 2014 and in most criminal cases they do not let the child with a criminal who committed a crime. If police catches you with DUI while you have your children in the car they will separate you. It also existed under Obama. Not sure where anybody with internet connection and the ability to read and understand English gets this idea that it is a new thing.

I assume they pay taxes in america? Shouldn’t they also move the company to a different country and stop employing American citizens?

Succumbed to the political biases&#x2F;fake news of this country. Too bad as Chef did not have to say anything or do anything. Where was the outrage under previous admins? hypocrisy x10<p>I for one, do not support Chef and will never use their product as Ansible is better anyways.