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I dropped out of MIT and started a new college in San Francisco, AMA

68 点作者 DesaiAshu超过 5 年前

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educater超过 5 年前
For anyone considering this, please know that it would be cheaper in the end to go to an excellent California community college and transfer and pay two years tuition vs. giving up 20% of your income for 5 years or paying $70K.<p>Anyone who seriously considers this doesn&#x27;t know how much cheaper alternatives are.<p>You can graduate with an associates from a community college pretty much anywhere in the country (United States) for $5000. If you&#x27;re so broke you&#x27;d need an income sharing agreement you likely qualify for a Pell Grant so really your associate&#x27;s would be free.<p>Let&#x27;s say you do poorly and can only get into the easiest public university in your state. Using California as an example, UC Merced is about $15K a year. So it would cost you $35K to get a legit bachelors in computer science from UC Merced vs. $70K from a no name. The only way Make School would be cheaper is if 20% of the sum if your income for 5 years is less than $35K. Needless to say that&#x27;s unlikely.<p>EDIT: And this is to say nothing of the fact that you can actually take other classes other than computer science and live a more well rounded life.
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ThrowItAway2Day超过 5 年前
There&#x27;s a reason that the majority of student loan debt in the US is from for profit colleges [1].<p>They are predatory, ill-regulated, and unstable. ITT Tech, WGU, and those all algorithmicly target audiences that are likely to get approved for Federal student loans: veterans, single-mothers, first-in-family to go to college. They get them approved for these loans and the funds go directly to the school whether they graduate or not. There&#x27;s a very interesting chapter on this in the book &quot;Weapons of Math Destruction.&quot; Don&#x27;t believe their non-sense ads about being the future of education, the incentives just don&#x27;t align. Go to local community or state public schools if private is not affordable. Either way, both public and private are not-for-profit.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;phys.org&#x2F;news&#x2F;2019-06-for-profit-america-student-debt-crisis.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;phys.org&#x2F;news&#x2F;2019-06-for-profit-america-student-deb...</a>
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apta超过 5 年前
It seems it&#x27;s another &quot;bootcamp&quot; like initiative trying to make a quick buck by treating computer science education as a trade. Naturally, people who end up going to these programs end up working on web stuff or mobile apps. Maybe there&#x27;s demand for this kind of work, but what people may not realize is that it&#x27;s also diluting the value of people with a proper engineering education.
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_delirium超过 5 年前
Some bits of this are interesting. The numbers on the accelerated program seem unrealistically ambitious though. In the Q&amp;A, they say they teach a fully accredited 124-credit-hour degree in 2-2.5 yrs. That seems pretty difficult, at least under the official accreditation standards!<p>A standardized definition most accreditation agencies have settled on for a &quot;credit-hour&quot; is approximately 45 hours of work total (so e.g. a 3-credit course requires 135 hours over the semester). Originally that came from an assumption that an N-credit class met for N hours a week, plus 2N hours of homework per week, for a 14-week semester plus a 15th exam or final-project week. But any split is ok under current standards as long as it adds up to about the same (different semester lengths, no-lecture classes purely based on videos, fully in-person lab-style classes, etc.). Either way though, a 124-credit-hour degree would end up at around 5580 hours of work. To do it in 2 calendar years, you&#x27;d need to average 54 hours&#x2F;wk, with no vacations. Not physically impossible, but...
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eaenki超过 5 年前
I don&#x27;t know, feels like an airline trying to differentiate itself. It feels just like any other random university, maybe worse because the name sounds like a bootcamp. and it kinda feels like it is anyway. I would take the founder&#x27;s former university (MIT) any day over &quot;Make School&quot; lol.
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Lukesys超过 5 年前
Reminds me of my alma matter, South Harmon Institute of Technology.
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agigao超过 5 年前
$70K for 2 years? No, thanks.<p>Community college for 2 years ~ 20-25K tuition, then &quot;learning your heart out&quot; for those 2 years and transfer to a proper university with scholarship seems far more plausible to me.<p>Classical CS education with high standards is a proper way to go, otherwise you&#x27;ll spend first 10 years your programming career &quot;wishing you had known that before&quot;, and you might never step into the depth of career, especially into ML&#x2F;AI field, without that prior knowledge of the theory.<p>Actually, such &quot;new kind of school&quot; done better is <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.42.fr" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.42.fr</a><p>Talking with my 7+ years of software&#x2F;data engineering experience, last couple of years spent in DS{ML&#x2F;DL}.
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spodek超过 5 年前
The description confuses innovation with effectiveness:<p>&gt; <i>The tech industry was rapidly evolving and yet college curriculum was frozen in time. My high school CS teacher had been more innovative in offering a project-based education than my MIT professors were.</i><p>Project-based learning isn&#x27;t new. What makes it valuable is that it works -- in particular, at developing skills useful for work and life more than lecture-based and other mainstream university pedagogy for most fields.
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dbcurtis超过 5 年前
On hands-on versus math, how do you approach finding the magic balance?<p>For context: Let&#x27;s agree that MIT and Olin are both great engineering schools. One former coworker of mine is a senior Mech E who graduated from MIT, who once said something along the lines: &quot;I&#x27;ve never hired an MIT grad who could not do the math, but sometimes they needed to learn good bench skills on the job. I&#x27;ve never hired an Olin grad who didn&#x27;t hit the ground running in the lab on day 1, but sometimes they hit resistance with the math.&quot; So even with four years and a demanding pace, it is still hard to do both well. What grounds your thinking on this topic?
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TheAdamAndChe超过 5 年前
I notice some comments about likely astroturfing on the post. I&#x27;m curious, what are Hacker News&#x27;s opinions on it? Is it just a necessary evil of using the platform, or a plague that should be fought against?
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hackermailman超过 5 年前
What&#x27;s interesting about this school: Entire curriculum is open not hidden, ability to get a real regionally accredited degree in just 2 years, no up front tuition<p>What&#x27;s bad about this school: Almost entirely web frameworks, the algorithms slides are way too brief, heavily relies on Hackerank type resources, not to mention possible mistakes in the slides, like describing &#x27;THE upper bound&#x27; when you can find another upper bound. No math so gradschool is going to be difficult. Entirely imperative&#x2F;OOP. Edit: You will owe them $100k <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=18548001" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=18548001</a> and it&#x27;s not clear on their site if there&#x27;s a maximum level of gross income deduction<p>Still can&#x27;t beat that 2 years to official Bachelor&#x27;s piece of paper for no up front costs
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dirtybird04超过 5 年前
Kinda off-topic, but an interesting comment in response to a particularly engaging thread:<p>&quot;Usually AMA subjects ignore questions that aren&#x27;t softballs. Props to you for actually going through and answering. Thanks!&quot;<p>Yeah, that&#x27;s a really low bar. And sums up why I stopped paying attention to AMAs a while back. It&#x27;s mostly just fluff and PR with an occassional Snoop Dogg gem.
Aaronstotle超过 5 年前
I attend the summer academy (bootcamp) for iOS Development a few years ago. I was thinking about going to the full program but I don&#x27;t care for web development nor iOS development. I hope they add a DevOps track because I think there&#x27;s a lot of people like myself who enjoy building systems&#x2F;standing up servers but not strictly programming per se.
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guuz超过 5 年前
I think I have a somewhat unpopular and romantic opinion: a tertiary education is important not only for what you can learn in regular classes (or the prospects this learning may give you), but the knowledge you can gain outside of them if you are interested in doing so. I studied at a fairly big public university in the third world, not very special by any standards, but the experience of being inside an academic center, with access to people from a myriad of backgrounds studying very different disciplines opened my mind irrevocably. And, I believe, made me a much better engineer.<p>I recognise that very few people have an opportunity like the one I had and a two year degree with an extreme focus is more suitable for some folks, mainly because of the absurd tuition costs in the US (I studied for free). But it seems the concept of the university serving as a knowledge hub is fading away and giving way to a hyper capitalistic vision where only your future paychecks matter thanks to a kind of social anxiety.
ykevinator超过 5 年前
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ArtWomb超过 5 年前
Congrats! Wondering if you are considering an online component? Model I am thinking of is something like Qwiklabs which provides hands on cloud training, on real world data and infra. It appears they are generating serious revenue at the scale of 10,000s trainees ;)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.qwiklabs.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.qwiklabs.com&#x2F;</a>
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