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Dungeons & Dragons ruled a threat to prison security

68 点作者 wybo超过 14 年前

13 条评论

jarrett超过 14 年前
The court applied the Turner test, which is very similar to the rational basis test: the plaintiff was burdened with showing that the threat of gang formation was "so remote as to render the policy arbitrary or irrational."<p>This may strike some as odd, given that 1st Amendment cases typically use strict scrutiny, not rational basis. But, here's the catch: it doesn't apply in prison! In prison, your 1st amendment rights are more limited, and something akin to the rational basis test does indeed apply. To quote the court:<p>"In Turner, the Supreme Court determined that prison regulations that restrict inmates' constitutional rights are nevertheless valid if they are reasonably related to legitimate penological interests."<p>So, despite the apparent silliness of banning D&#38;D, it seems the prison was within its rights to do so. The prison system may, at its discretion, inflict all kinds of petty punishments upon prisoners. If you're sent to prison, your rights are sharply curtailed. That's what the court decided in Turner, so that's the way it is.<p>Whether or not this is good policy is, of course, open to debate. It depends on what balance you want to strike between the punitive/rehabilitative purposes of prison. I'm of the opinion that criminal justice ought to be primarily aimed at reducing recidivism, but then society at large doesn't really agree with me.<p>Here's the full decision:<p><a href="http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1498113.html" rel="nofollow">http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1498113.html</a>
stcredzero超过 14 年前
This makes me think of Weird Al's "White and Nerdy"<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9qYF9DZPdw</a><p>I attended a military academy, which mildly resembled prison in a few respects. We weren't allowed out of the dorms after 7pm, and an instructor would make sure we were all in bed (checking off our names on a checklist) and turn the light out in our rooms for us. Then he'd stay there and make sure we didn't leave our rooms until just before Reveille.<p>The jocks and bad atitude cases would sometimes dress up as commandos in all-black outfits and go on "missions" to sneak off have trysts with girlfriends or pull pranks (like shining the breasts of one female statue on campus.) They'd often get caught, which was bad because it was technically a dismissal offense. Me, I was part of a group that snuck around after lights out to gather and play D&#38;D. Actually, we didn't sneak. We just put on dress uniform, and the security guards assumed we were Officer of the Day.<p>No, I did not have a girlfriend in High School.
tzs超过 14 年前
The arguments the gang "expert" made about similarities between D&#38;D player organization and gang organization would apply equally well to many organized religions, such as Catholicism. I wonder if a prison could get away with banning that?
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kemayo超过 14 年前
I do wish that US prisons would decide whether they're in the business of punishment or rehabilitation. You see a lot of talk about rehabilitation, of course, but so much of what goes on in there seems to have no purpose but to punish people. (e.g. broad societal tolerance of prison-rape, or petty tyrannies such as those described in the article)<p>I'd prefer that they came down on the side of rehabilitation, of course... but I'd settle for /honesty/ about their goals.
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pjscott超过 14 年前
What happened to the idea that D&#38;D led to Satanism and suicide? This was a big deal back in the 1980s. You never hear about it anymore, and yet I haven't heard any of the old scaremongers actually admitting that they were wrong. Ditto for Satanic ritual abuse, which used to scare people out of their wits.
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Tycho超过 14 年前
I misread the title as 'Dungeons &#38; Dragons used to test prison security'. Like some sort of walkthrough/role-play testing<p><pre><code> You are in a room with 2 prison guards The guards are armed with batons A mase spray can has been left on the ground There is a fold up chair in front of you ...</code></pre>
mcantor超过 14 年前
<i>Predictably, I used to play Dungeons &#38; Dragons in high school. Just as predictably, I didn’t lose my virginity until I stopped.</i><p>Um... it's 2011. Are we really still making "nerds can't get laid" jokes? I mean, <i>Vin Diesel</i> plays Dungeons &#38; Dragons. I'm not offended or anything; the author is clearly joking, but it seems pretty low-brow for the opening hook on something posted to HN.<p>EDIT:<p><i>It's an established fact that Dungeons &#38; Dragons is a bigger threat to human reproduction than all the gay marriages in the world.</i><p>Oh whoops. OK... complaint retracted. I expressly condone the usage of dated nerd jokes if used to setup a punchline this hilarious.<p>That'll teach me to comment before reading the rest of the friendly article.<p>EDIT 2:<p>I thought this sounded familiar... this is from January, <i>2010</i>! Obligatory: <a href="http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/1/27/" rel="nofollow">http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/1/27/</a>
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jlesk超过 14 年前
Related to D&#38;D and startups, my current project is a web-based virtual tabletop for roleplaying, built on node. =)<p><a href="http://tabletopquest.com" rel="nofollow">http://tabletopquest.com</a>
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phenylene超过 14 年前
Relevant: <a href="http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/1/27/" rel="nofollow">http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2010/1/27/</a>
tehwalrus超过 14 年前
this made me sad. I am tempted to post them my set of 20 sided dice.
mobileed超过 14 年前
this is irrelevant topic, for one, and it's also irrelevant in terms of even getting a voice! Once you go to prison for what this guy did (1st degree murder with a sledge hammer) your rights are no more. And when you have no rights, you don't even have a voice on the matter. You are to rot the rest of your f<i></i>cking life in a jail cell. (period)
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SoftwareMaven超过 14 年前
Personally, I think the reasoning is completely bogus, however, I'm all for not allowing people to spend their day playing D&#38;D while I and other tax payers pay for it (and I'll expand the D&#38;D to <i>anything</i> that does not fall in the restitution or rehabilitation buckets).<p>On the other hand, I could see D&#38;D being a good rehabilitation tool.<p>Personal rant aside, D&#38;D sure seems like it would be a LOT better than some things I've read about in prison, but I also don't know the dynamics of prison life. Maybe the hierarchy of thugdom exhibits in potentially anything with a "leader" there.
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jrockway超过 14 年前
I used to think that blogging couldn't hurt your career. Then I read this post.<p>From the sidebar:<p><i>This post is authored by Evan Jowers and Robert Kinney of Kinney Recruiting, sponsor of the Asia Chronicles. Kinney has made more placements of U.S. associates and partners in Asia than any other firm in the past four years.</i><p>Then we have the following professional-sounding quotes:<p><i>I used to play Dungeons &#38; Dragons in high school. Just as predictably, I didn’t lose my virginity until I stopped.</i><p><i>any D&#38;D “gang” member would find themselves tossing salads faster than you can say</i><p>I stopped reading at about this point. If you are going to do a legal analysis on your bullshit placement firm's blog, try to err on the side of being too professional. If you are going to make jokes, try to at least be funny.
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