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Wait a Minute. How Can They Afford That When I Can’t?

38 点作者 SREinSF超过 5 年前

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brenden2超过 5 年前
What’s with the recent stream of low quality NYT articles? This reads like the author recently discovered Mr. Money Mustache and decided to publish some blogspam. There is 0 new information.
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kaffeemitsahne超过 5 年前
&gt;<i>Not only do people want to play down their inherited wealth or money from family “but they actively try to hide it,” Mr. Conley said. “We have this ideology of individualism and worshiping of the self-made man or woman.”</i><p>I have almost exactly the opposite mentality w.r.t. this scenario. I was always taught to not talk about money because it will only lead to problems, strife, envy etc.. (not that I&#x27;m rich or from a rich family but there&#x27;s always people on both sides of you money-wise).
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awat超过 5 年前
I felt this when I joined a sales org as a Sales Engineer. I felt like I was making a healthy salary but couldn’t believe the cars I was seeing driven by the reps I supported. Until one day I had a conversation about it with a few of them and found out they do everything in terms of payments. As in can I afford the payment with no concern about what that costs in interest etc. Eye opening experience.
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simonblack超过 5 年前
&#x27;Image&#x27; versus Reality.<p>Some people are more concerned with displaying &#x27;Image&#x27; than whether or not they can keep up with Reality.<p>This has been historically the difference between &#x27;Old Wealth&#x27; and the &#x27;Nouveau Riche&#x27;. The Nouveau Riche mentality is that if you have it, you must flaunt it ostentatiously. The people whose families have been wealthy for generations very often don&#x27;t show it at all, or maybe they have some things that are &#x27;very good&#x27; but &#x27;old&#x27;. (To take that to its logical conclusion, think &quot;a 40-year-old Rolls Royce&quot;.)<p>My sister always looks like she wouldn&#x27;t have two cents to rub together, but she keeps several million dollars stashed away so that all of her (4) kids could be given a million bucks at any time if necessary. Note that if she can give it to one child, then she feels she should give it to all four as a matter of &#x27;fairness&#x27;. Then again she has three houses, all set up with clothing and furniture and appliances, so that she just has to arrive and everything is available for her immediately.
aklemm超过 5 年前
How can we get young people a better concept of money and wealth quantities and trajectories?<p>I remember having the light bulb go off for me—previously I had zero clue and tried not to worry about—that most of those around me doing very well around age thirty had had help with a house down payment and their college costs. So the difference was simply they had the nut to get into home ownership and they didn’t have a monthly student loan.
ars超过 5 年前
Save you time: &quot;When people seem to be able to afford much more than their income would suggest, it’s often because there is hidden wealth or hidden debt.&quot;<p>Then some extra stuff to try to make people feel bad for having wealth.
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WalterBright超过 5 年前
&gt; Wait a Minute. How Can They Afford That When I Can’t?<p>In debt over their eyeballs?
abrichr超过 5 年前
Mirror to avoid paywall: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;ve4mL" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;ve4mL</a>
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ryanSrich超过 5 年前
I don’t really get the point of this article.<p>If you know how much someone makes, then you can deduce relatively quickly that they are either a.) in serious amounts of debt, or b.) have some other form of income that you aren’t aware of.
bane超过 5 年前
I remember when I first started dating my wife, I encountered a number of people she knew from the same immigrant community (South Korean) who were driving expensive cars and living in nice houses despite working fairly low-end jobs. I asked her about it and she explained that basically these folks were either:<p>a) up to their eyeballs in debt with no savings of any kind<p>b) involved in some kind of &quot;scam&quot;<p>c) were being floated by rich relatives or friends somewhere else, but the story there was complicated<p>My wife has always been very frugal so I found this curious, but she explained that having a &quot;rich&quot; appearance was very important in the tight night social community that most South Koreans found themselves in. These three versions of what was happening were often occurring at the same time. An example true story:<p>A person she knew, despite working two jobs as a cashier at a grocery and a dry cleaners, owned an expensive house and drove around in a luxury SUV. This person took payment, in part or in full as cash and often simply didn&#x27;t pay taxes. At church, they&#x27;d chat up friends looking for business opportunities. When one was finally spotted (an investment opportunity), it was realized they didn&#x27;t have any cash to participate. They then convinced a close friend to loan them basically their life savings upon which the investment was made with &quot;a few percent&quot; skimmed off the top as a finders fee to purchase a few luxury goods to keep the game going. There were multiple investors, and eventually somebody ended up stealing somebody else&#x27;s identity, drained their bank account and fled the country. The investment ended up buying a large inventory of very poorly made products that were unsalable and it failed. The person she knew ended up with no serious money lost and just moved on to the next strike-it-rich plan.<p>The house was mortgaged under somebody else&#x27;s identity who had good credit and income as a &quot;favor&quot;. The main floor was furnished elegantly for parties and after church activities, the rest of the house was entirely devoid of furniture. The SUV was a car they bought from a mechanic friend after it had been totaled by the previous owner and had new bodywork and some engine work done at extreme discount -- it barely ran day-to-day.<p>This wasn&#x27;t a rare story. It seemed to pervade a large portion of the community and everybody was inexplicably blind to it, and fell for the same money-lending, identity theft scams over and over again.<p>When the Russell Crowe movie &quot;Cinderella Man&quot; came out, there&#x27;s a scene where his manager, played by Paul Giamatti, is confronted by the main character&#x27;s wife at his apartment. It&#x27;s revealed that the apartment, and fancy lifestyle are all a display to give him credibility. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;e4fb7N_ICj0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;e4fb7N_ICj0</a><p>It was then that I really understood what the success signaling and veblen goods in my wife&#x27;s immigrant community was all about.
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raven105x超过 5 年前
Why is this a thing? My total, all-encompassing expenses are less than 15% of my income annually and I have zero debt. I rent a modest apartment because I am in my 20s &amp; the loss on rent is, for now, less than the would-be loss of property taxes + HOA + home loan interest. I drive a nine year old Prius I bought when I was 18 - and I know that statistically everyone my age driving a luxury vehicle is either in debt, has outside income, or simply out-performed me financially - all of which are okay. This is just a youthful and inexperienced opinion, but it sure as hell seems like the root of the issue is not income inequality, or social theory, or any other problem requiring a solution but our national obsession of not minding our own business since people aren&#x27;t at peace with themselves.<p>Mind you, these are sentient, presumably self-aware, humans doing this - this isn&#x27;t the behavior of a bot in a game, but actual people. Yikes
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m0zg超过 5 年前
How can they afford a NyTimes subscription? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20191108011522&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2019&#x2F;11&#x2F;06&#x2F;your-money&#x2F;financial-security-envy.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20191108011522&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytim...</a>
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