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Show HN: Avoid editing while writing your first draft

224 点作者 rolandas超过 5 年前

32 条评论

nickjj超过 5 年前
This might be an unpopular opinion but I always edit while writing my first draft. This is how I&#x27;ve written 250+ technical blog posts and over a million words worth of course notes.<p>I basically write a couple of sentences or paragraphs, stop, review, reword things if needed, change things around and move on. Then at the very end I&#x27;ll give it all a final reordering &#x2F; fixing until I&#x27;m happy with it.<p>I feel like I can&#x27;t progress to the next chunk of an article until the prior section is 95% edited because what I write next depends on what was previously written.<p>Does anyone else work like that?
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rayalez超过 5 年前
Shameless plug - my app, Writing Streak, has the &quot;typewriter&quot; mode (Alt+T) that prevents you from editing the text you wrote, and a &quot;blurred&quot; mode (Alt+B) that hides the text you type, achieving the same effect:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;writingstreak.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;writingstreak.io</a>
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redacted超过 5 年前
The advice we got from our professors when writing theses was: crack open a bottle of fine whisk{e}y [0], get a couple glasses in, write (while keeping your drink topped of course) until writing is a serious challenge, edit the next morning in the harsh and sober light of day [1].<p>Works a treat, even if you liver may not fully appreciate it.<p>[0] Whiskey may be substituted for your preferred liquor, but it is a solid traditional writers&#x27; choice<p>[1] TL;DR &#x27;Write drunk, edit sober&#x27;
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rpastuszak超过 5 年前
Ha, this is so cool!<p>I&#x27;m working on a very similar problem atm: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ulysses.sonnet.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ulysses.sonnet.io&#x2F;</a><p>My approach is slightly different though:<p>- you <i>can</i> see the previous lines (the last 4 lines of text), i.e. they don&#x27;t fade, so you can still keep some context<p>- you <i>cannot</i> select, edit (the UX makes it hard). I&#x27;m still working on making the UX around it more explicit, curious to hear feedback.<p>There are several reasons for that (or use cases):<p>- I use it to foster a better writing habit<p>- During the day, I keep it on split screen and write to organise my thoughts when I work on more complex problems<p>- I use it as a diary (and paste the text to the Notes app)<p>Do you use it in a similar manner? Did working on the app change your writing habits in any way? The reason I ask is because in my case writing this way feels somehow more natural. I ended up writing 800 words per day on average (with spikes to 2-3k).<p>Also, I&#x27;m following the same `div.fade` approach to mask text in my app. The main reason for that was incorrect colour correction&#x2F;mixing on Firefox (banding or shifting the colour by 1 point).<p>PS. I&#x27;ll send over some of the apps here to my partner (a writer) and see which one suits her needs better. I&#x27;ll let you know if I get any feedback.
robbrown451超过 5 年前
All I can say is, I am old enough that I remember when writing rough drafts, by hand, on paper, was how you did writing. If you changed your mind right after you wrote something, it was awful because you had to squeeze it in between the lines or in the margins or draw circles and arrows and such.<p>I hated writing then. It was just painful. I procrastinated any writing assignment till 2am the night before it was due.<p>Now I love writing. Writing is often something I do when I&#x27;m procrastinating something else. (ummm, that would include right now I guess)<p>I&#x27;m not a linear thinker and forcing myself to do it that way would just be a way to make me hate writing again.
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mbrock超过 5 年前
Here’s my attempt at a tool for writing not even a draft but a stream of consciousness that evaporates like a daydream or prayer.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;swa.sh" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;swa.sh</a><p>It doesn’t work on mobile, but you should use it with a proper keyboard anyway. There’s nothing sent from the JavaScript to any server; it’s a static page hosted on Netlify with very simple code. It’s just an index.html with style and script tags, 39 lines total.<p>I use it in the evening when the baby is asleep and I just want to reflect and think for a while. Maybe you will like it too.
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miki123211超过 5 年前
cat &#x2F;dev&#x2F;stdin &gt; yourfile.txt<p>ctrl+d to exit.<p>You can edit the current line (to fix spelling misteaks) but not anything else. You can reference as much as your terminal shows.<p>This is a perfect example of the superiority of the Unix way. Simple programs that do one thing and work well together, combined into things their authors didn&#x27;t think of. This is my idea of beauty.
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softwaredoug超过 5 年前
I find perspectives on writing workflows are very subjective and hard to generalize. I know some people who outline to the sentence. Others who gestalt write and let the structure evolve from writing. I reread&#x2F;edit as I craft the next section. Others get driven crazy by such open endeness.<p>All perspectives have been successful tech book authors.<p>The more difficult thing is how you collaborate with coauthors with different writing style that might conflict with yours.
thdrdt超过 5 年前
Masters in all kinds of areas have in common that they start with the big picture and then start refining level by level. But they can keep themselves from refining details that are smaller than the current level.<p>I think this works for writing as well.<p>Personally I also use this in programming. When I was young I directly dove into the details but that just doesn&#x27;t work. Now I&#x27;m more like a painter. First big strokes and taking smaller brushes as I move along.
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oblib超过 5 年前
It certainly accomplishes the intended goal of hiding what you&#x27;ve just typed in a slick and quick way.<p>I&#x27;m not sure why this is a good thing though. Often times I find I need to go back and edit something for the purpose of continuity.<p>This doesn&#x27;t prevent that, but it does hide the reason for it. But, hey, if it works for the user I find no reason to criticize those who&#x27;d use it.
i_am_proteus超过 5 年前
I have a simpler method to accomplish the same task: a typewriter.<p>The key, for me, is to retype into a computer and edit during that phase.
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CalChris超过 5 年前
I completely agree. The first draft should <i>never</i> see the light of day. Just put down your ideas and your points in no particular order. Do not outline. Do not format. Adhere to no rules except to get the first draft done well before the deadline.<p>After that, you write.
kazinator超过 5 年前
If you don&#x27;t do <i>some</i> editing while writing a first draft, but instead defer your intent to make those corrections, you will fail to execute some of those corrections later.<p>The virtue of editing on a computer is that you can easily correct as you go. If you don&#x27;t think that&#x27;s a good idea, you might as well go back to a typewriter or handwriting.
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munmaek超过 5 年前
I do something like this from time to time, just with pen and paper. I often have thoughts for blog posts, and I&#x27;ll write out as much as I can in a dedicated notebook. After ~2-6 days, I&#x27;ll look at it again with fresh eyes and type up a first rough draft, doing edits, writing more, and rearranging everything to be more cohesive. Again, after 2-6 days I&#x27;ll take another look and polish the draft.<p>Generally by that point I find the post is ready to go, but sometimes I go through three or four edits on pieces I&#x27;m not sure about. Feedback is also good- I typically ask a friend or my brother to see what they think.<p>Planes and trains are great for this; I find that I get a lot of writing done while traveling. Even on the subway, sometimes I just type up thoughts into the Notes app, and then pull it up on my computer later.
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SteveJS超过 5 年前
I wrote something for myself that removes the editor entirely.<p>This gives a word sprint of 15 minutes with a visible goal of 1000 words. Hitting ESC leaves it ready to paste elsewhere.<p>No backspace, no delete, only enough feedback to know your typing is captured, and whether you are on pace.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;SteveJSteiner&#x2F;BantamScribe" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;SteveJSteiner&#x2F;BantamScribe</a><p>It is also entirely local.<p>Spelling and grammar errors take something like 60 seconds to fix in any reasonable editor that has suggested spelling fixes.<p>The goal is to focus on the idea and dispense with what should be automated. This is for exploring ideas not refining wording.<p>For a novel, the choice to edit as you go is orthogonal to avoiding editing during a word sprint. The real issue is during revision you’ll find you corrected a bunch of stuff you are cutting. If that editing was cheap who cares? If you sweated over a sentence for 15 minutes you might do the wrong thing and not cut it even though that is better for the story.
chadlavi超过 5 年前
How do you reference what you&#x27;ve already written?<p>Why not just make it uneditable?
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0xdeadbeefbabe超过 5 年前
Doesn&#x27;t the fact that language improves ability to reason suggest that structure does too? I wonder if this edit later advice is any good. ISTR Harper Lee said she worked on a page at a time till it was right.
ilamont超过 5 年前
Writing and editing for me is like sculpting with clay. Constant tweaks, revisiting something that I wrote the other day, referencing material from earlier in the piece, moving stuff around, etc.<p>FWIW I learned to write longhand and then using an early electronic typewriter with only three lines of text retained in memory. Modern word processors have been great. Sometimes, though, when planning something out, I&#x27;ll use a paper notebook.
DTrejo超过 5 年前
Cool! Another easy way to do this is to close your eyes while you write.<p>Feature idea: prevent you from leaving the page or doing anything else on your laptop for the time period, that way you can’t research anything.<p>More tips: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dtrejo.com&#x2F;how-to-write-consistently-painlessly-and-without-writers-block" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dtrejo.com&#x2F;how-to-write-consistently-painlessly-and-...</a>
mirimir超过 5 年前
So this is an interesting idea. And I do tend to write that way. Especially if I&#x27;m not sure what to say, or how to say it.<p>But I&#x27;m not sure what the point is. I mean, searching yields &quot;We couldn’t find any repositories matching &#x27;rolandasb&#x27;&quot;. And I&#x27;m certainly not going to write anything substantive on this site. So how would I do this locally?
fbelzile超过 5 年前
Yet another shameless plug - my app, Cold Turkey Writer, forces you to write for a certain amount of time or word count before letting you close the app. The pro version also lets you disable the backspace&#x2F;delete key to prevent editing.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;getcoldturkey.com&#x2F;writer&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;getcoldturkey.com&#x2F;writer&#x2F;</a>
1wFaith超过 5 年前
The placeholder text is a reference to a wonderful game called The Talos Principle.
harshil9968超过 5 年前
I love the idea behind this.<p>It only disappears when I&#x27;m done writing the para, i.e. when I move to next para. Which renders the feature obsolete when I&#x27;m writing big paras.<p>Could this be done to letters, after x secs they disappear.
city41超过 5 年前
Hiding the paragraph seems extreme to me. I&#x27;d like to refer back to what I wrote to get a sense of what I still need to write. Would it be better to instead make the previous paragraphs uneditable?
zacharycohn超过 5 年前
This strategy seems like it makes it very difficult to write. What if you lose track of what you&#x27;ve already said? It seems like a better solution is to just disable backspace.
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voiper1超过 5 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;draftin.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;draftin.com&#x2F;</a> also has a hemingway mode that disables editing.
BurningFrog超过 5 年前
This sounds a lot like the old Agile slogan for writing software.<p>1. Make It Work<p>2. Make It Right<p>3. Make It Fast (maybe)
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jpincheira超过 5 年前
I saw other options, but I love how minimal this is. Really.
AlexCoventry超过 5 年前
A good book in this vein is <i>Writing With Power</i>.
lower超过 5 年前
You should try ed sometime :).
Justindiamond超过 5 年前
Love this so so so much.
chipotle_coyote超过 5 年前
All the various &quot;let me save you from editing&quot; programs I&#x27;ve seen over the years have been well-meaning, but...<p>Okay. Look: here&#x27;s an actual snippet from the first chapter of a novel I wrote a few years ago. It&#x27;s not unusual for dialogue to be written like this: short paragraphs, one or two sentences each, right?<p>---<p>If he’s based on Panorica or one of the half-dozen platforms that have a compact with them, he could lose his license for that. Or worse. But a lot of the private yachts berth at places where space law is more space suggestion. “Who else have you called?”<p>“Just you. I’m pretty sure the ship’s completely dead. The crew either got out already or didn’t make it.”<p>“Jesus, Randall.” She runs a hand through her hair, stopping outside the bar. Could she lose her license for following up on this? “If it’s dead, how’d you find it?”<p>“I picked up an emergency beacon. It stopped before we made visual contact.”<p>“What kind of ship is it?”<p>“The beacon data was for a Horizon class freighter.”<p>“A Horizon went missing and nobody noticed? When was this?”<p>“Yesterday. Maybe fifteen hours ago. I’ll send you the telemetry data.”<p>---<p>Now: imagine trying to write that <i>when every paragraph immediately disappears after you type it.</i><p>I&#x27;m sorry, but that&#x27;s just not going to be helpful. Writers don&#x27;t need to have their past paragraphs hidden from them; we may, in fact, need to see those lines for context. If you want to <i>grey them out</i> the way iA Writer does in &quot;focus mode,&quot; fine, although I confess I remain skeptical about how much benefit that truly brings. If I&#x27;m actually typing, like I am at this moment, my eye is following the cursor and I&#x27;m focused without the extra benefit of disappearing text; if I stop typing, it&#x27;s because I need to think about what I&#x27;m going to write next, and I may need to, you know, read what I&#x27;ve just written in order to do that. If it so happens that I notice a typo in the previous sentence -- or even, heaven forbid, the previous paragraph -- I don&#x27;t actually feel like my editor is <i>helping</i> me if it prevents me from doing that.<p>And this is the problem I have with an awful lot of these &quot;let me help you write by being super super minimal and throwing in one neat trick you haven&#x27;t seen before that makes this <i>even more minimal</i> than those other minimal&quot; editors. I sincerely appreciate the ideas and the work and, yes, the aesthetics. This particular one is <i>really</i> elegant and I don&#x27;t want to take away from that. But it&#x27;s part of a whole class of editors that feel, at least to me, like they&#x27;re kind of solutions in search of problems.