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Today is Esperanto Book Day – why I learned it (2018)

69 点作者 martinrue超过 5 年前

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schoen超过 5 年前
(2018) - previous submission at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=18688619" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=18688619</a>
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wccrawford超过 5 年前
I started learning Esperanto for many of the same reasons on he did, but I abandoned it because I found that most of the literature is just translated from another language, usually English, or is not good.<p>I also found that people tend to talk about 2 things in Esperanto: Politics, and Esperanto. I&#x27;m not <i>really</i> into either of those.<p>And typing in Esperanto usually required some kind of IME, which I found to be tedious or annoying.<p>I contrast this to learning Japanese, which I was much more successful at. There&#x27;s <i>tons</i> of media that I enjoy, plus some things that were never translated that I still want to read. I was able to talk about non-political, non-language things with random people on the internet. And although I was still forced to use an IME to type it, at least there was a true reason for it.<p>I recommend people learn a second language, but I recommend they find one that they&#x27;ll either consume a lot of media in, or have a lot of people they can talk to <i>daily</i> and will actually use.
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wishinghand超过 5 年前
Wishful thinking, but I do wish that Esperanto or Lojban has been successful in becoming a lingua franca. Ideally everyone would know the global language and whatever their local, mother tongue is, no matter how obscure. I think it’s a good solution to certain languages dying out as well as linguistic imperialism.
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clarry超过 5 年前
If someone is looking for a fun introduction to Esperanto, I&#x27;d recommend checking out this VN: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gog.com&#x2F;game&#x2F;the_expression_amrilato" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gog.com&#x2F;game&#x2F;the_expression_amrilato</a><p>It&#x27;s pretty short and you won&#x27;t attain any sort of mastery, but I found it much more engaging than textbooks or video lessons.<p>There&#x27;s a sequel, but only in Japanese for now (and unfortunately it has DRM, unlike the first title on GOG): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sukerasparo.net&#x2F;items&#x2F;5c5a985268702449498fa1e1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sukerasparo.net&#x2F;items&#x2F;5c5a985268702449498fa1e1</a>
sli超过 5 年前
Ido is an alternative to Esperanto with similar grammar rules and pronunciation, but less complex conjugations and no need for diacritics, instead using digraphs and is thus easier to type. Ido is also gender neutral (rather, gender on nouns is optional) while Esperanto is not, which makes that part a bit easier to learn.<p>The problem is that there are only about 1000 speakers, which is significantly less than Esperanto. And so learning resources are quite limited by comparison.
amflare超过 5 年前
Learning Esperanto is something that I really want to do, I&#x27;ve just never been able to stick to it. I imagine its because its has no use in my everyday life, and so I tend to brush it off in favor of other things (which admittedly I brush off as well because I&#x27;m lazy, but Esperanto prioritises behind those and so when I&#x27;m not being lazy I do the other things first and never spend enough time in Esperanto to make any progress).
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plumeria超过 5 年前
A nice profile of the language can be found here: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;how-to-learn-any-language.com&#x2F;e&#x2F;languages&#x2F;esperanto.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;how-to-learn-any-language.com&#x2F;e&#x2F;languages&#x2F;esperanto.h...</a>
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Rerarom超过 5 年前
I spent three months at the beginning of this year learning Esperanto. This is the first time I speak about it in a detailed way.<p>My motivation was manifold: I somehow couldn&#x27;t manage to learn the language of the country I was currently living in, so I wanted to try a simpler one; I was curious about Esperanto ever since I was a child; I was fed up with people learning languages because of job-related issues or infatuation with the culture (yes, they bothered me equally); I wanted to have a hobby that didn&#x27;t involve my work or my friends.<p>My path was as follows (I am writing this as general advice for a potential learner): I first did the whole Duolingo tree, working ~2 hours per day, which took me a month, then I read the novel for beginners Gerda Malaperis by Claude Piron which everyone recommends (there was only one or two words in it which I didn&#x27;t already know from Duolingo), then I read for a few weeks from Piron&#x27;s Vere aŭ fantazie. This is a very nice book of stories (a work of genius, I may say) which is written carefully as to start from a limited vocabulary (smaller than Gerda, since it also aims at learners which started with other texts) and then to slowly add 8-10 new words in every chapter. I read one story per day, underlining words I didn&#x27;t recognize (not caring whether I had learned them before or they were actually new) and then looking them up in a dictionary. When I finished the story, I reread the sentences which contained the underlined words. Then, the next day, I reread the last day&#x27;s story before embraking on a new one. This way one slowly absorbs (almost without realizing it) a whole lot of new vocabulary. I would love to see someone doing this kind of project in a non-constructed language. After finishing that book, I started reading from Boris Kolker&#x27;s Vojaĝo en Esperanto-lando, usually presented as an advanced reader, one chapter a day (I think it has three-four new words per chapter), which I abandoned somewhere in the middle.<p>At the end of it, I could read an advanced book written in Esperanto which felt enough like an achievement. I don&#x27;t know about conversational skills, since I never talked to anyone. But even if I initially hated culture-related motivations, I longed for having a country and a culture to read about and apply my skills. I found the same problems that wccrawford is complaining about in another comment - almost no media produced in Esperanto got my attention.<p>There is some stuff I like about it: it sounds very cosy (even the sentences I read on the blog post above); the fixed endings make it easy to parse a sentence even if you don&#x27;t know what the words mean; it has very powerful means of enriching its own vocabulary (when I was a child, I loved English because of this, let&#x27;s say in this regard English is to Esperanto as Unix is to Plan 9 with regard to the Unix philosophy, so it kinda rekindled that enthusiasm). I recommend it to anyone identifying with at least one of my motivations above.
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oarabbus_超过 5 年前
If you&#x27;re considering learning Esperanto, you should learn Chinese or Spanish instead
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