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People Who Do Not Exist Invade Facebook

258 点作者 ericzawo超过 5 年前

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didericis超过 5 年前
The worst thing about widespread fake information is the ease with which you can convince yourself that everything you don&#x27;t like is fake. We don&#x27;t really have a defense against it that allows for people with opposing perspectives to coexist.<p>I wonder if it&#x27;s possible to somehow create a &quot;consistency checker&quot; that can check to see what claims are compatible with what other claims. Not a truth checker; that&#x27;s far too dangerous and easily abused. But a system that just checks for consistency, combined with a &quot;web of trust&quot; where you can see the connections to people with different perspectives who you know are NOT liars&#x2F;can connect to events you KNOW are true. That might help people trust information from outside of their comfort zone and identify problems with their own outlook.<p>There&#x27;s precedent for that kind of a thing in the math world. MetaMath is an example of a system that verifies proofs based on substitution rules alone, plus whatever axioms you add to the system. Natural language news stories that need to correspond to reality are obviously a much different beast, and maybe it&#x27;s impossible to do something equivalent with knowledge that isn&#x27;t as rigid&#x2F;formal as math, but it&#x27;s tempting to try.<p>Could easily backfire and make the problem worse if done improperly, though. The risk is that such a system could be taken over&#x2F;hijacked my ideologically motivated individuals to reinforce their own ideas and hide inconsistencies rather than shine a light on them.
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avivo超过 5 年前
I actually just published a guide on how you can help ensure that (&quot;deepfake&quot;) tools that you make are less likely to end up misused like this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.technologyreview.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;614912&#x2F;ethical-deepfake-tools-a-manifesto&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.technologyreview.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;614912&#x2F;ethical-deepfake-t...</a><p>Curious what folks think. I also just posted it to &#x2F;newest if you want to respond there.
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ProAm超过 5 年前
What age demographic still really uses facebook? American&#x27;s 35+? All my friends us Messenger and the rest is on other social media platforms for content.<p><i>edit</i> dont know why this got downvoted, it was a legit question because everyone knows who the primary age group of votes is, so Im wondering if there is data on age demographics of actual FB use.
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jeffdavis超过 5 年前
It will be interesting when the election cycles start to cross over into eachother. For instance, start lining up primaries for an election 5 years away. We could be in a permenent election, with people slowly positioning themselves to be elected sometime later.<p>Then, we can finally give up and just draft our representatives. Two months before it&#x27;s time for new politicians to take over, they would draw names, and do 6am door-kicking raids to abduct the &quot;candidates&quot; and take them to D.C. to represent us.
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schnevets超过 5 年前
Facebook won the social media war by cultivating a smaller, more selective group of users (college students). It meant sharing had some more definitive meaning, and provided some added safety for marketplace and message board functions. It was their secret weapon against the MySpaces and CraigsLists, and yet they completely abandoned it.<p>If they really wanted to further their company mission, their Manhattan Project should have been a plan to keep the internet authentic and &quot;owned&quot; by humans. I no longer think this will be their downfall (it has been a problem in the system since at least 2012), but I cannot think of a more stark example of a company trashing an original philosophy so wholeheartedly.
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fareesh超过 5 年前
On Facebook you would mostly encounter such people if someone you know shares their posts. Comments are buried too deep to have a widespread impact.<p>If a fake person writes the post and your friend shares it, or a guy named &quot;Joe the Plumber&quot; writes it, does it really make a difference?<p>It is also in the realm of possibility that a group of folks is &quot;false flagging&quot; these profiles to make the other side look disingenuous and shady.
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buboard超过 5 年前
love how the only facebook comment under the article is a fake &quot;make money from home&quot; bot
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rvz超过 5 年前
I&#x27;d like to remind everyone that as we are fast approaching the prospect of hundreds of thousands of AIs and bots graduating from their Turing Tests, we must take the internet&#x27;s own proverb very seriously.<p><pre><code> Do not believe everything you see on the internet.</code></pre>
sjwright超过 5 年前
It doesn’t matter how autonomous and free thinking you are or any other individual is— social media is transforming us into a collective. Like ants excreting pheromones, our actions in aggregate are more powerful than any individual, the result being whatever results from this untested cocktail of biology, language and global connection. It’s unprecedented and borderline unpredictable.<p>Nobody is in a position to directly manipulate our path... but our trajectory, if nudged in the right place and time, can have massive consequences in the future. Both the left and the right in the US are dysfunctional as a result of trajectories that were nudged decades ago.
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josephjrobison超过 5 年前
Just a few paragraphs in, the writer incorrectly states that Unsplash requires attribution, which is the exact opposite of the entire premise of Unsplash.<p>If the writer can’t pick up on that obvious fact, makes me trust the whole story less.
blakesterz超过 5 年前
There&#x27;s another story (I assume of many) over at the NY Times with the headline &quot;Facebook Discovers Fake AI-Generated Profiles&quot;.<p>I rather like the &quot;People Who Do Not Exist&quot; in this headline.
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jinpan超过 5 年前
To blend in with humans, these fake profiles could take advantages of AI progress on the Turing test to converse with real people, ultimately befriending (some high fraction of) us.<p>The persuasive effects of these fake friends on (political) advertising are terrifying.
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digi59404超过 5 年前
Did anyone stop and consider these aren’t fake people but people who value anonymity?<p>I have 20 friends who use such tools and tech to hide their identities. Yes they lean right, slightly but they do. They all do this to avoid being found by employers and other. One of my friends is a prominent person in a legal field, another one is a member of a three letter group.<p>Other than my real name - My Facebook profile has all fake information for public facing as well. It always has - and it always will. Any AI viewing my profile or person viewing my profile has no means of identifying me as a real person unless they coorelate my name elsewhere.<p>For many of my friends - Their real name is not used.<p>In an era of fake news and “ZOMG RUSSIA” we’ve become our worst selves and thrown logic out the window instead falling victim to knee jerk reactions.
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ydb超过 5 年前
This is nothing new. Influencing elections is a part of having elections -- this liberal idea that &quot;bots&quot; are somehow poisoning the electoral process is beyond out of touch.<p>The TV you watch, whether it&#x27;s CNN or FOX or MSNBC or CNBC has more of an outsize effect on how you develop your personal beliefs than any of this nonsense. The biggest thing to come out of America&#x27;s Second Red Scare is that people are more likely to listen to others when they spout propaganda that they already believe.<p>To think it&#x27;s the FSB or GRU is somehow responsible for a defect in the design of elections in a democratic republic is laughable. If anything, the &quot;Russians&quot; are doing what Siberia and their rough country taught them: make the best of a bad situation.
fhkatari超过 5 年前
I was forwarded Sacha Baron Cohen&#x27;s facebook critique (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2019&#x2F;nov&#x2F;22&#x2F;sacha-baron-cohen-facebook-propaganda" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theguardian.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2019&#x2F;nov&#x2F;22&#x2F;sacha-bar...</a>) by a friend, as an argument to outlaw facebook. I brought up how Bush swiftboated Kerry and won the election. Media has always been used as a political weapon, it seems. Is FB much worse?
RickJWagner超过 5 年前
In somewhat-related news, a group of Washington Post reporters tweeted a party photo labeled &#x27;Merry Impeachmas&#x27;.<p>There is no impartial source of media today. Not traditional media, not social media. You have to go out and talk to people around you to know what people really think.<p>&quot;If you don’t read the newspaper, you’re uninformed, if you do read it, you’re misinformed.&quot; - Denzel Washington
yters超过 5 年前
How can we know anyone online is real?
dzhiurgis超过 5 年前
Ironically, zuc&#x27;s new photo looks like it&#x27;s been generated: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.facebook.com&#x2F;photo.php?fbid=10111007623865331&amp;set=a.743613136151&amp;type=3&amp;theater" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.facebook.com&#x2F;photo.php?fbid=10111007623865331&amp;se...</a><p>Catching faces from thispersondoesnotexist is easy - just poll the their site every 1 second and collect all faces. Others are probably trickier but FB is sophisticated enough.<p>My real question is how can one specify Z vector that generates a specific (say myself&#x27;s) face? <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;podgorskiy.com&#x2F;static&#x2F;stylegan&#x2F;stylegan.html#wMUUPtHjJ74JnjG&#x2F;rBEWwG7GWj5u7X4&#x2F;mK+Zv47XOb+maw+&#x2F;5xHgPiMPUb6pGs2+n+GqP8fenL+iXys&#x2F;RhAJwAdyoL8PK20&#x2F;nyeHP7r6kb6+f22&#x2F;8g+vve&#x2F;QMr++vXs&#x2F;P&#x2F;EAvxjItj+AfNc&#x2F;J1HsPxVVQr+7zXk&#x2F;kU0JP2U0sT4jCDBACrWHP1YRKr+J9LY&#x2F;Z9bDvuetdT9GYtO&#x2F;PfZlvzQaxD9UUyhANZnEP0KA9L6Qlt0+GtXLvp&#x2F;iZb&#x2F;TcAA&#x2F;Jwlkvz6HL786oQu+ekIQvh+Pu76QADlARIGOP3S+mb6+bqQ&#x2F;y0l7v2TkT79Q0JS&#x2F;32bSPpPusT5WdqK&#x2F;wJyZvWJZ8D4Y&#x2F;qU&#x2F;PmZGPtt9ZT9RVQO+ftENwMdi4D&#x2F;383a&#x2F;LvhBv55huz3AkMY9+Hf0P6L+Dr&#x2F;OMHS&#x2F;WXiwv&#x2F;eSQL9AJjw&#x2F;uMk0v7tj1z43eivA4iAKPxLtLL+sw0G&#x2F;loBovh9U2j8uI10&#x2F;kZucP3bhUr8S22U+SQInP40VHj&#x2F;MHuc+uUgkv+sTMr9uZHQ&#x2F;LTDDP08TlT+omW+&#x2F;OKP5PsOUjb&#x2F;8sUw&#x2F;WvYgvsIm6j6crSo&#x2F;+4QYvxY4nj6wUHW+MKIuP+fuT7+QjJO+PQssv9OLHz&#x2F;1&#x2F;jC&#x2F;xLE9P1Qo2z572ko&#x2F;8mStvSvkRL7i&#x2F;VLAJryMvmzMdj10lEA&#x2F;UU1ZP7k74b7AK66&#x2F;f7A6P9PxrT3ASC2&#x2F;9rqZv6icZz5HMaG&#x2F;QmsNv4iFID8cuge&#x2F;Uh&#x2F;6PhHlnD&#x2F;YzZ4+iWCCvzoqtr&#x2F;SMBG&#x2F;MWiLPtm9CD+6tze&#x2F;78zDPuxxTT+CPlE&#x2F;pZyVv&#x2F;mBdT+uorU&#x2F;i3k5vxnNDT2dUA2&#x2F;pLpiv7soFUCMSw9AkVjtvX8shj9jTPC+uekdvza1tL&#x2F;go6+&#x2F;n+I8PD+u+b4fDCY&#x2F;gHhrP370jr8ZM38+ifXcv0DOpr9yjB0&#x2F;o6kDP137Rb5Iydi+vlgLwHSv&#x2F;byj5k8&#x2F;nLtOv3BDUr8t4gE&#x2F;qw7qvjVjz75zxvk+4stdvwgNZj21v3U&#x2F;G55QvxA7jD63Hlw&#x2F;7giMv152zr+z7CzAkMlxv93csL5o4ga&#x2F;zGFNP+A+Lr5tnZC&#x2F;a7sYwMK+pr&#x2F;VGea+tOmWvT7CuL9dZgvAWCNtv7SAWT+QM72&#x2F;dXyaPjfwLj+Ihh++kMhDvvTTu75Rote+o2UcPwbdtr&#x2F;gOuq+7hAAPmH0zr5fKp4&#x2F;u9Siv6tdwj6V3Qw&#x2F;yZ1nvt2zgz9ZU+Q&#x2F;9fYowPBRoj8fVx68mLULv63fcz6TXhC&#x2F;Wm1nPxYPE0B+&#x2F;JE+q8bCP5j8Oj9VpAQ&#x2F;NiJnvm1gw76hVzW&#x2F;FA5yvtHk1L0bRTO&#x2F;7y7&#x2F;PsTctj&#x2F;N0Tw&#x2F;QAkkvxmuiD+&#x2F;T6Y9Jr0LP3WHHb8vMQu+00SdP8gw1b5FUFm&#x2F;9hmTv83iSb4KdwA&#x2F;mAUePxhN&#x2F;T1HIHm&#x2F;GLFZPyZRjz65qve+NUFwv5i8GL&#x2F;TXvw+ZxTMPtRyrD7dv1a9h18MP&#x2F;vmzT5YbRbAU1Fqv7PWJT+Wgh1AROhkvwvdk78TxwbAqDZlP0AB4L7Ke4y+cFhTPxbvIT6o1Fk&#x2F;mF9Hv&#x2F;rrKz9czYE+FMa3P6fNgr40xBq&#x2F;Qchhv26aK7&#x2F;kzDS&#x2F;FXfAP2JL8T4hCIC+E45Cv6XQjj8j09G&#x2F;4s2Bv2tkUb89V0W&#x2F;FP1ovnBY1D+uQpe&#x2F;34Nbv8HP4j2sNJe&#x2F;tWSFPmdUfb3KJnC+g5I5P3ftuT60Xgg&#x2F;4ByYv9Eadb9WAEO&#x2F;1WGNv3dk1D4+zUi&#x2F;APPpvtfED8D388c&#x2F;TAtIP+qHvr8ENeC&#x2F;sHgLvwERNT+BBvm91+KWvu6ehb8i8N4+Xz0nQBy1xD7qpa4+9O8SP7MfPL8FZ9A+b+zBvxwwTL9+hDY+ZNWKPse1Jb9g674+7EaYP1rr075P&#x2F;2k&#x2F;OcpHPuvptT4yDdU+cf7GPrpH0b2qmdK+mxqLPvEwh79lgl6+ZM5TP6X7gj9Tc3y&#x2F;vgBLPxaPmL&#x2F;5pSS&#x2F;PdSav&#x2F;J+aD7+RVu&#x2F;Vh+Bv72gnz5ZC+2+tHaXvvCmer+5zsy+ECipP1P8378eYuU+X1RTPjETXT1oqPe+VjOxv4Semj0gdQg&#x2F;z5ADP6abrr8Leb++WBkNv4O1Uj+6rhk&#x2F;+WcJQMwFYD6R06A&#x2F;do2KvjYQiD92Cgs&#x2F;sKDAv+7PUj9Keow&#x2F;Id0&#x2F;vns83z8917K&#x2F;MCHavvb7sr&#x2F;FokY&#x2F;HsQSv&#x2F;5d4jzcr+k9hsbPP2bJNb5WWSvAQwGkv6eDoL&#x2F;s0SdAJQMBwPSbQ78eYO29vy4VQLd0gL87IXw&#x2F;&#x2F;lMBv&#x2F;AWvD56S06+EaSMPw9BET+JBtI&#x2F;VCXSvoMrCT5gfBDABrRMvolyrT1xbHG+T3RRP57wj78acgO&#x2F;j7GGPk1aXT5NT9G+v5+pPdSnA7&#x2F;merA&#x2F;aEq9PwmZzL+SYZI+uXtJPpRZn74kdoQ&#x2F;U8SGviALcr9qhhQ8cM0DP4U3Tj&#x2F;jgSM&#x2F;B8S4P+gAaD6Rkpi&#x2F;lSsAv+LNOz&#x2F;Xi7i&#x2F;JxlkPxxS7D3wic6&#x2F;dPdNv9lwZr9lkK4&#x2F;oCNeP4IKFz&#x2F;wfZ2+8LQPQCsetj9qAwBAlCy6vrDdFj+xres+mH1rP75d0j8l5ze&#x2F;uak4v+zdmL90yCbAKjMVP8nudD6IiE++bx8XP4jZWT4HnJo+R&#x2F;9sPgPaN7+5v3y&#x2F;BCaAv45nKr+We+O8BrCVPjXY4b&#x2F;9oqI+lwrvPQ8X0L6smqW&#x2F;yf+QP7DeNj9NmQ++cDjzvqeKVb+PRqi+OYm3vY+SJr+GbPm+FStQPe9DR7&#x2F;46y8&#x2F;3dIYwLP6ZD8=" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;podgorskiy.com&#x2F;static&#x2F;stylegan&#x2F;stylegan.html#wMUUPtHj...</a>
tabtab超过 5 年前
Fake people reading and writing fake news on fake websites? If this keeps up, we&#x27;ll end up with a fake President. Don&#x27;t give me negative points, for this is a fake reply.
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fakegalitarian超过 5 年前
Reminder that the Russians primarily targeted black americans to agitate us over police brutality, and that every single media piece that gives more than 3 example ads without showing a single one target black americans is, with high probability (a statistician can formalize this), peddling an agenda. &quot;White working class voters&quot; were never the primary target and they targeted them <i>less</i> as the campaign went on.<p>Primary source: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;intelligence.house.gov&#x2F;social-media-content&#x2F;social-media-advertisements.htm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;intelligence.house.gov&#x2F;social-media-content&#x2F;social-m...</a>
xrd超过 5 年前
Here are the assumptions I have about what&#x27;s happening here.<p>But, the real question I have is: are these thoughts which have been influenced&#x2F;crafted unbeknownst to me?<p>Pro tip where I attempt to bring awareness to my thoughts: look for the keyword &quot;automatically&quot; in my statements below.<p>1. These are pro-Trump sites. Perhaps the author filtered only these groups for their results? The takeaway is that I automatically think pro-Trump groups must be creating these fake accounts. Then, I automatically think &quot;Russians!&quot;<p>2. There is another article from the NYTimes on Hacker News right now (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21847051" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=21847051</a>). It mentions a pro Falun Gong group behind it. I automatically think this must be a Chinese state funded group doing it to discredit Falun Gong.<p>This is an amazing bit of research and write up. And, could it be that not everything is what it seems here?<p>I recently heard a discussion from Ben Freeman on Terry Gross&#x27; Fresh Air (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2019&#x2F;11&#x2F;21&#x2F;781579229&#x2F;ukrainian-oligarchs-and-the-influence-of-foreign-money-on-american-politics" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.npr.org&#x2F;2019&#x2F;11&#x2F;21&#x2F;781579229&#x2F;ukrainian-oligarchs...</a>). Mr. Freeman is the director of the &quot;Foreign Influence Transparency Initiative at the Center for International Policy.&quot; His point was that Russia is actually pretty bad at interference, which is why we know about it. Everyone does it, and the Saudi&#x27;s and Israel and Japan do it with much more class and craft. It makes me wonder whether these fake accounts come from who we think they do.
kevin_thibedeau超过 5 年前
A FB ToS violation is not a violation of the law. Nothing prevents people from having multiple accounts to shill with. The only thing &quot;wrong&quot; is how much people will trust what they read on the internet from random people they don&#x27;t know.
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Mugwort超过 5 年前
Is Hacker News fake news? Many times people post things that would make a real expert roll their eyes. There are some smart people here but also lots of inaccurate information.
Mugwort超过 5 年前
Is anyone out there simply unaware of the &quot;fake news&quot; phenomenon. Are we so inured that we cannot differentiate BS from the real thing and need to be protected? I don&#x27;t think so. Everyone KNOWS. People aren&#x27;t that stupid. Why wasn&#x27;t lying us into the Iraq war considered fake news?