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Show HN: Made this with my daughter to help kids ages 2 to 4 learn logic

367 点作者 ech085超过 5 年前

37 条评论

tom_mellior超过 5 年前
I think the digits should be arranged 0 to 9, not 1 to 9 followed by 0. Because 0 is less than 1.<p>Also, when the correct answer is revealed, it would be great to somehow highlight the cats that are actually described by the formula. Yes, this is hard for 0.<p>Also, the animations feel too fast to me. I find they make the whole thing stressful, somehow.<p>ALSO, when a wrong answer is given, the question disappears! That&#x27;s terrible UX.<p>EDIT: I should add that I think the idea is great! But some details of the implementation could be improved.
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ilteris超过 5 年前
So many responses from people who are not target audience. Here is one from me so you can compare.<p>I just played this with my daughter who is 4 year old. She have found the first 4 levels easy. She was having a little bit trouble with level 5 negation and conjunction but we had to take a break since we were running for a date.<p>She didn&#x27;t have any problem with zero being on the right.<p>She didn&#x27;t have any problem with linguistics compherension so far.<p>She was able to differentiate colors and animating cats from the rest and it was perfect.<p>She is familiar with digital buttons so she was able to press them but even with her tiny fingers sometimes pressing 4 instead of 5 etc. (We played on mobile)<p>I direct the game for her. (Start, go up levels when she was bored)<p>Overall thank you for this because she is going to have a gifted and talented &quot;test&quot; next week and this looked very similar to that and she was active and entertained choosing the answers so I can see this could be a good segway I to it.
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Arnavion超过 5 年前
Nice. The source is also very readable so I imagine it would also be useful to teach an older child about programming.<p>I hit a bug though - level 7 generated a &quot;how many cats are spinning&quot; question whose answer is 10, but there&#x27;s no &quot;10&quot; button and trying to type &quot;1&quot; &quot;0&quot; fails at the first &quot;1&quot;. But I see `cats_for_level` allows there to be `level + 5` cats, so is there some way to input an answer greater than 9?<p>Also, is it not confusing to have cats that are &quot;also&quot; ducks, rather than have a different kind of cat? Like cats with different-colored noses or have their mouth open. (In that puzzle 5 of the spinning cats are cats and the other 5 are ducks. But the dev console log does say it wants 10, not 5.)
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stakhanov超过 5 年前
So, I am older than 4 and have a PhD in a logic-related field. BUT. I have to admit that I had trouble answering some of those questions. For example: &quot;How many blue cats are not bouncing&quot; when there are no blue cats on the screen. The game seems to assume that the right answer is zero, but I&#x27;m not sure I concur. There is a presupposition there about blue cats being in existence and if there are none on screen, the result is that, regarding blue cats, we don&#x27;t have the required information to answer it. Better phrase it &quot;How many cats are there on screen that are blue and bouncing?&quot;.
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avip超过 5 年前
Nice website. I like it. Please don&#x27;t use it with your kids (of 2 to 4!!). There are more than enough actual objects scuttered in your house.
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chrisbennet超过 5 年前
Cool.<p>Back in the ‘80’s there was a game called “Rocky’s Boots” that taught logic to kids.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.myabandonware.com&#x2F;game&#x2F;rockys-boots-cp" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.myabandonware.com&#x2F;game&#x2F;rockys-boots-cp</a>
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overlordalex超过 5 年前
I was not prepared for the text-to-speech blaring out at maximum volume without warning. I was further not prepared for &quot;mute site&quot; in chrome having no effect. Does anyone have any advice for blocking this behaviour on a global level?<p>Just a warning for future explorers
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maxk42超过 5 年前
I noticed you don&#x27;t have an eleven button: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;TK7Td2J" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;TK7Td2J</a><p>To be clear: I tried each number 0 - 9 to make sure none are correct. This question cannot be answered and blocks further progress.
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abraae超过 5 年前
I&#x27;ve found with two of my kids that they were really into paper-based logic puzzles using logic gates.<p>I draw up a heap of multi-input AND and OR gates, and some inverters, then wire them together in more or less random ways. Then put 0 or 1 on all of the inputs, and get the kids to work out what some given output will be.<p>The good things I&#x27;ve found are:<p>- This seems easily within reach of my kids from age 5 or so, probably many could start even younger<p>- all they need to get going is the concept of AND, OR and NOT, easily graspable<p>- It&#x27;s quite positive for their self-esteem, since what they&#x27;re doing looks (especially to their seniors) insanely complex, but logic is really not that hard<p>- It&#x27;s paper-based, no screentime, pin them up on their wall when they&#x27;re done<p>- It&#x27;s super quick to set up each &quot;puzzle&quot;, and you don&#x27;t even need to spend any time setting up some complicated trick answer, or even really testing your puzzle. Any old random logic circuits are great fun for them to step through and come up with the outputs.<p>- you can step it up to more complex things - e.g. change up some of the inputs once they&#x27;ve got their first outputs, chuck in some flipflops etc.
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mflyingget超过 5 年前
First of all, awesome amd thank you. Now one comment. Is it possible to (only after selecting the correct answer) to highlight the cats that are in the correct condition? This might help with visual reassurance of the correct answer. Cheers
gus_massa超过 5 年前
Nice project. Some ideas:<p>When you click a number or press a key, the number should be highlighted for a short time.<p>In some other games, after a wrong try the number disappear and in other games the number gets semitransparent and disabled. It makes the later tries easier, but my small daughter learned to bruteforce the tests :) .<p>Sad cats when you get a wrong answer? Perhaps it&#x27;s a bad idea.<p>Super happy cats when you get the right answer?<p>What about a mixed level, where you get some samples of the last two levels? (The last levels are not so easy.)<p>What about dogs? I like dogs. :)
freediver超过 5 年前
Great job, played all levels with my 4 year old and enjoyed. This can easily be an ipad app. Also my browser is lacking a tip button as this would have been a $5 tip easily.
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thecolorblue超过 5 年前
This is great. I love the concept. There is just enough UI to play. The &#x27;cat-ducks&#x27; makes it fun.<p>If I could add something, I would make getting an answer right a little more rewarding. A correct answer graphic, or a correct answer counter.<p>I realize this is probably a proof of concept for a minimum viable game and standard game mechanics did not make the cut.<p>I will test it out on my 3 year old tomorrow.
rahimnathwani超过 5 年前
This looks great. Will definitely try it with my son.<p>The first part is about &#x27;counting&#x27;, or maybe recognising a count without counting (I didn&#x27;t count the cats 1-2-3, because I can instantly recognise 3 of something).<p>If you&#x27;re interested in exploring this further, the book How to Teach your Baby Math, by Glenn Doman, recommends teaching babies&#x2F;toddlers numbers by showing them cards with dots on them, one at a time, whilst saying aloud the number of dots.<p>Instead of making your own cards and using your own voice, you can run this web app and use your smartphone and thumb.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dots.twilam.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dots.twilam.com&#x2F;</a><p>The initial screen is blank. Tap anywhere on the screen to show some dots and hear the number. After about a second, the screen will again be blank, ready for you to tap again.
rio517超过 5 年前
I never get more than five cats. Also it is Unclear how a kid wild get to the end of answering the same question set. Also, I kept getting the same number of cats in a row. It feels like something is wrong to get the exact same question.
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halma超过 5 年前
I made a [fork](<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;ahalma&#x2F;cats-of-jasnah" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;ahalma&#x2F;cats-of-jasnah</a>) that allows for some internationalization. Now you can play the game in Dutch or Spanish as well (or extend it for your own mother tongue).<p>You can set the language via an URL parameter:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ahalma.github.io&#x2F;cats-of-jasnah&#x2F;index.html?lang=es" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ahalma.github.io&#x2F;cats-of-jasnah&#x2F;index.html?lang=es</a>
skinnyasianboi超过 5 年前
That&#x27;s very cool! I like that the whole project is packed into one html file and that you made it together with your daughter. I&#x27;m also working on an open source logic&#x2F;math game for ~8+(depending on the mini game). If parents on HN are interested in trying it out with their children, please do it and give me feedback <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;braincup.app&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;braincup.app&#x2F;</a>
turtlebits超过 5 年前
Controversial opinion, but I don&#x27;t think kids ages 2 to 4 should be having screen time, let alone an activity that is better presented with real objects.
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emehrkay超过 5 年前
I think this onEnd callback is what allows you to spam the button and nothing changes on screen <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;countable&#x2F;cats-of-jasnah&#x2F;blob&#x2F;master&#x2F;index.html#L428" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;countable&#x2F;cats-of-jasnah&#x2F;blob&#x2F;master&#x2F;inde...</a><p>This is cool though. I never thought to build something to help teach my son anything
rc_mob超过 5 年前
1. This is awesome<p>2. How can i turn it into an app for ipad use
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tlarkworthy超过 5 年前
Can ur kids read numbers?
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shmerl超过 5 年前
Reminds me Lewis Carrol&#x27;s The Game of Logic: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gutenberg.org&#x2F;files&#x2F;4763&#x2F;4763-h&#x2F;4763-h.htm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gutenberg.org&#x2F;files&#x2F;4763&#x2F;4763-h&#x2F;4763-h.htm</a>
volfied超过 5 年前
Just played it with my 3 year old, and he had a real hard time with the &quot;how many cats are ducks&quot; kind of question... Cats can&#x27;t be ducks after all!<p>But he really enjoyed it otherwise, thank you for this, and thank you for making it open source!
hluska超过 5 年前
My three year old says the cats are cutie pies. That’s very high praise...:)<p>Nice work!
leetrout超过 5 年前
Played the counting levels with my 22 month old who can count to 20. The only thing I would suggest from our experience is the cats “dressed up as ducks” was confusing for her.
rancor超过 5 年前
This is a really good concept, definitely going to use it with the kiddo. On a laptop screen, the buttons could be bigger, hard to hit them with little fingers.
IG_Semmelweiss超过 5 年前
I have 3 questions.<p>How many of you have 2 year olds that can read?<p>For those that can read, was this thru your parental efforts, self taught, or daycare &#x2F; 3rd party?<p>How many languages can your 2 yr old read?
fiatjaf超过 5 年前
You don&#x27;t want kids of that age to learn logic. You want them to learn imagination.
darepublic超过 5 年前
My three year old tried it and is enjoying these, thank you OP!
terrycody超过 5 年前
How many cats are here?<p>God please its 10, where is my 10,10, 100000,.<p>no no1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!sw<p>its 10!!!<p>tajsfueygfwfpawhfahfghf
LeonB超过 5 年前
Thank you for this. My daughter really enjoyed it!
ropiwqefjnpoa超过 5 年前
The robot voice is the deal breaker for me. That can&#x27;t be good for a developing mind. Combine this with voice mimicking technology that was posted a few weeks ago.
varunmohapatra超过 5 年前
how many cats are not red and are not ducks? Such kids, much wow!
seymores超过 5 年前
Thank you!
jasonsamoa超过 5 年前
This is amazing. Would love to see more simplified foundational education games such as this geared towards any audience and from all domains.
cairo_x超过 5 年前
Keep getting asked to count 10 cats at levels 5 and up.
paggle超过 5 年前
Kids of 2 to 4 shouldn’t be using screens.
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