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SF Zoning Department rules that Workshop Cafe is an office, forcing it to close [pdf]

53 点作者 jbaudanza超过 5 年前

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Lukeas14超过 5 年前
I once spent an hour sitting in the SF planning office on Mission and it was the most eye opening experience in regards to the city&#x27;s building issues. Most of the discussions are done in the open so you can hear the conversations between the planners and people looking to get permits. Almost every convo started with &quot;...so your permit looks good but I won&#x27;t approve it until you make [some irrelevant, arbitrary change]&quot;. They would look through historical Google Maps images and find temporary backyard sheds, windows that had been replaced or door frames that were painted and refuse to issue until these changes were reverted.<p>I understand the need of a planning department to enforce safety codes, plan large construction like the Salesforce tower and make traffic decisions. But every discussion I heard that day was a planner making completely subjective decisions that, in my mind, shouldn&#x27;t be anybody&#x27;s business but the building owner. No wonder we have problems building enough housing when so much effort is exerted dealing with such minor design decisions.
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jbaudanza超过 5 年前
This was one of my favorite places to go work in SF. It was a cafe that was optimized for people working.<p>I was disappointed recently when I found out they had shut their doors permanently. I was surprised too, because they always seemed to be busy. Apparently, they had an ongoing dispute with the zoning department over whether they were a &quot;cafe&#x2F;restaurant&quot; or &quot;office&quot;.
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blueyes超过 5 年前
This decision is a real shame. There is real value to a space like Workshop that provides food and business services in a social space in the Financial District. A decision like this, which does not take into account the consequences to SF&#x27;s everyday life, is one of the thousand tiny cuts the city inflicts on itself to no purpose.
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zip1234超过 5 年前
So what good do use based zoning rules do? I can see prohibiting heavy industrial or chemical in residential areas but outside of that it seems like more harm than good.
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wtvanhest超过 5 年前
I used Workshop Cafe a little and liked it, but I agree with the planning commission.<p>All they were asking was for 2&#x2F;3rds of the space to be available to the public.<p>They could have made 1&#x2F;3 reservable. They could have charged for wifi in the other 2&#x2F;3rds or came up with other ideas.
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m463超过 5 年前
I think this is what clarified it for me:<p>&gt; <i>A good analogy for this principal is a movie theatre. Customers must buy a ticket to enter (i.e. reserve space), and the principal use is the movie theatre. Customers may purchase food and beverages in the theatre, and may consume them in the actual theatres. Such food and beverage sales often outpace actual ticket sales. However, the Planning Code does not consider a movie theatre to be a restaurant simply because its customers may, and often do, purchase food and drink that is prepared on-site.</i><p>(principal is your pal)
ortusdux超过 5 年前
I am a big fan of the Japanese zoning system. I&#x27;m sure it has its flaws and that there are arguably better systems, but it seems much better than what we currently have in the US.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;urbankchoze.blogspot.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;04&#x2F;japanese-zoning.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;urbankchoze.blogspot.com&#x2F;2014&#x2F;04&#x2F;japanese-zoning.html</a>
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cobookman超过 5 年前
It has meeting rooms, desks,...etc.<p>Not really surprised the zoning department ruled it was co-working space vs a cafe:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;maps&#x2F;uv?hl=en&amp;pb=!1s0x808580795532c085%3A0xca181db15a6404c!3m1!7e115!4shttps%3A%2F%2Flh5.googleusercontent.com%2Fp%2FAF1QipOfBojExn9spMCA9-Wi0irX4kltP5LIxEpSnTCw%3Dw252-h160-k-no!5sworkshop%20cafe%20sf%20-%20Google%20Search!15sCAQ&amp;imagekey=!1e10!2sAF1QipNbDqxoQc84KKJl0G4GPIq6i1kkzryaiKOPIMYh&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwi3qdXs5-_mAhXwHzQIHcvKC50QoiowCnoECA8QBg" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;maps&#x2F;uv?hl=en&amp;pb=!1s0x808580795532c08...</a>
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languagehacker超过 5 年前
This is a fair interpretation of zoning laws, but I don&#x27;t think it respects the reality of most coffee shops. What I liked about Workshop (other than being one of the only places in FiDi you could get Stumptown for a while) was that it was explicit about the real trade going on in many coffee shops.<p>If you&#x27;re spending more than a half hour at a coffee shop, you&#x27;re there to work. You&#x27;re playing this game where you&#x27;re trying to figure out whether you&#x27;ve bought enough coffee not to look like a complete mooch. You&#x27;re also hoping the free Wi-Fi is up and working, and that nothing is going to happen that will disrupt the work you&#x27;re doing.<p>Workshop offered a great cafe menu, but most importantly offered assurances around seating, quiet spaces, and high-quality Wi-Fi. It was a hybrid model, and one I don&#x27;t think there are decent laws established for them. This is a bummer, and probably a bad application of by-the-book zoning in a city where those same laws are being used to prevent way more important things like improved housing density.<p>But that&#x27;s SF for you, I guess.
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buss超过 5 年前
If you&#x27;re tired of shit like this, you gotta vote for people who want the city to be more tech-friendly and have sensible rules. In particular, vote for me ;) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;buss2020.org" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;buss2020.org</a>
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wtracy超过 5 年前
The issue seems to be the combination of more than 30% of the floor space being dedicated to reserved seating, and the Cafe charging for those reservations.<p>What&#x27;s more surprising to me is that an area zoned for retail restaurants is not zoned for office use. I see shop fronts in strip malls converted to ad-hoc office space all the time.<p>I assume this is a zooming regulation specific to SF? What would be the rationale behind it?
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IIAOPSW超过 5 年前
Who do I vote for if I want a workshop office like this to be legal?
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pmoriarty超过 5 年前
It&#x27;s interesting to hear all the positive comments here about Workshop Cafe, and at the same time in previous threads there have been many negative comments about WeWork.<p>Can someone who has been to both and has differing opinions about them share how they differ?
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3fe9a03ccd14ca5超过 5 年前
Zoning laws are so backwards that it borders on parody. Can we get a state-wide referendum to eliminate all but the most important zoning regulations and then let the cities grow naturally?
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proc0超过 5 年前
The same assholes driving up rent and making homeless situation worse.
maxcan超过 5 年前
Yet another act in the SF Government&#x27;s ongoing performance art attempt to turn everyone into hardcore libertarians.
wdb超过 5 年前
Nothing worse then having cafe shops being packed with people working on their notebooks taking whole tables and not allowing people to enjoy them to drink their tea. I wouldn&#x27;t mind if they would forbid notebooks in cafe shops like Starbucks
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cft超过 5 年前
San Francisco has become a place for junkies and Google sociopaths. Creative people have left and remaining creative people are leaving. It&#x27;s a very bad place to start a company now (not to confuse starting a viable business with raising venture capital).
linuxftw超过 5 年前
Unlimited governmental power. It&#x27;s what democracy is, it&#x27;s what Californians want.
creddit超过 5 年前
Hello, Interesting Innovation? I&#x27;m Outdated, The Draconian Zoning Law. We have some things that need to be discussed.