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The difference betwen skill and luck.

43 点作者 svag超过 14 年前

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_b8r0超过 14 年前
This reminds me of a discussion on a mailing list where someone pointed out the most amazing scam.<p>You find 256 people and email them the details of a 50/50 prediction. 128 people should get the right prediction. You then email them another 50/50 prediction. Of course, 64 of them receive the right prediction twice in a row. You then make a third 50/50 prediction to the 64, another to the 32 positive responses and so on until you find a manageable number of people who now believe you have some amazing insight into the future.<p>As much as we may want to think things are not random, sometimes they really are, sometimes they're just probabilities.
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generalk超过 14 年前
<p><pre><code> &#62; Always compare results with a null model that reflects luck. </code></pre> If nothing else, playing poker has taught me <i>this.</i><p>It's possible to win lots of money based on making exceedingly poor bets and getting very lucky. There's one card left to come, there's a 5% chance an Ace will come, but if it does you'll have an unbeatable hand, if not, you have a hand that beats 66% of the possible hands. Do you bet? What happens if the Ace doesn't fall?<p>A poor player who gets lucky will attribute his success to his obvious skill.<p>A skillful player who gets lucky will chide himself for making a poor decision.
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jonpaul超过 14 年前
The best single comment I've read about luck was written right here on HN. I've detailed it here: <a href="http://techneur.com/post/1321568428/luck-ii" rel="nofollow">http://techneur.com/post/1321568428/luck-ii</a><p>In summary, I made a comment about Zuckerberg and the value of Facebook. Someone responded that he was lucky. To which someone else responded with this: (Can't find original HN comment)<p><i>"This attitude bugs me a lot. There is probably a path for every single person in this country to make a million dollars in the next year if they were just “savvy enough” to take advantage of it. It seems everyone wants to diminish Zuck’s success by ascribing luck to it, but let me tell you something. Zuck executed the shit out of Facebook. Did the community and mindshare just come out of thin air?<p>There’s no good reason to believe that Zuckerberg is lucky at all. Saying he was in the right place at the right time has this tacit assumption that if he were somewhere else at the wrong time he would have tried the same thing and fell flat on his face.<p>It seems because Facebook is an outlier, people feel safe talking about the luck factor, but that’s meaningless because we all exist with individual circumstances, and by that measure everything every one of us does is based on luck. Instead, I prefer to ascribe luck to things that the individual actually had no control over, such as winning the lottery."</i>
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vannevar超过 14 年前
The difficulty in separating skill and luck is unconsciously illustrated by the author himself in his basketball example. We're asked to consider how much of a 'hot hand' is attributable to chance, and how much to skill. But what is chance in this context? Clearly he doesn't mean the likelihood of a ball launched in an arbitrary trajectory finding its way to the basket. More likely, he means the shooting average of an average basketball player in the type of game being observed (pickup game, college, etc). Clearly skill contributes to such a baseline average.<p>With basketball we have a skill that can easily be measured for nearly anyone: we just have them toss a basketball a few dozen times and we have a good gauge of how skillful they are compared to others. But what about, say, a venture capitalist? The game that they are supposed to be skilled at has so much overhead that very few are ever played, and not all those that want to play can (you've got to have a lot of money to even sit at the table). It's quite possible that success as a VC is entirely attributable to luck, with no contribution from skill at all. For these kinds of activities we have no way to generate a meaningful statistical baseline. We can only engage in a thought experiment: if hypothetically the success in question was actually due solely to chance, would the world we see look any different?
sobbybutter超过 14 年前
"In the mid-1970s, a man sought a ticket that ended in 48. He found a ticket, bought it, and won the lottery. When asked why he was so intent on finding that number, he replied, 'I dreamed of the number seven for seven nights. And seven times seven is 48.'"<p>Something tells me this guy did well by not taking math in grade school too seriously.
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Ruudjah超过 14 年前
&#62; He found a ticket, bought it, and won the lottery. When asked why he was so intent on finding that number, he replied, "I dreamed of the number seven for seven nights. And seven times seven is 48."<p>Need say no more.
StavrosK超过 14 年前
&#62; Reversion to the mean. Any system that combines skill and luck will revert to the mean over time. This means that an extreme outcome, good or bad, will be followed by an outcome that has an expected value closer to the mean.<p>So if I toss a coin 10 times and it comes up heads, the next toss is more likely to come up tails? I smell a rat.
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AbyBeats超过 14 年前
"I dreamed of the number seven for seven nights. And seven times seven is 48."<p>I think his lack of multiplication skills won him the lottery. It was luck indeed.
ohashi超过 14 年前
It was interesting but I was hoping for some more concrete suggestions than just a 'you should consider randomness vs luck.' What is a better way than ESOs? Give me a concrete example of how to untangle this rather than just saying untangle it. It doesn't have to be universally applicable but an example would be nice.
ajaymehta超过 14 年前
"I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work the more I have of it." - Thomas Jefferson
chr15超过 14 年前
The author has an entire paper dedicated to this [PDF] <a href="http://www.cscs.umich.edu/documents/Luck.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.cscs.umich.edu/documents/Luck.pdf</a>
joshuaheard超过 14 年前
Luck = Skill + Opportunity