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The Big Five in tech are paying like the Big Four in sports

43 点作者 acconrad超过 5 年前

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ydnaclementine超过 5 年前
This article is comparing starting salary for professional sports, vs &quot;Staff engineer&quot; salary.<p>The average MLB salary dropped slightly in 2019, but still north of $4million<p>src: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.espn.com&#x2F;mlb&#x2F;story&#x2F;_&#x2F;id&#x2F;28341983&#x2F;average-mlb-salary-drops-second-straight-year" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.espn.com&#x2F;mlb&#x2F;story&#x2F;_&#x2F;id&#x2F;28341983&#x2F;average-mlb-sal...</a>
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kevan超过 5 年前
It&#x27;s not really relevant to the overall point and I know it&#x27;s fuzzy estimates anyways but there&#x27;s a mixup in stocks and flows. linked Quora source says:<p>&gt;L6 is staff engineer. Only about 15% of Google engineers are at this level or higher<p>And the post:<p>&gt;People who make it to Staff engineer at Google per year: 1,875<p>I&#x27;m not sure about google but at Amazon there&#x27;s definitely not that many people making it to principal&#x2F;staff every year.
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buryat超过 5 年前
The question is how long it&#x27;s going to be like this? There&#x27;s a sense that the software industry is living its golden years and salaries wont stay high forever. And boy, when my RSUs hit 0 I wish I stayed in better shape to join a three-letter industry like NBA or NSA
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choppaface超过 5 年前
Tech does NOT pay like pro sports* and will not until workers get organized enough to form a collective bargaining agreement or something similar. Could software engineers do that? Lawyers and accountants have successfully guilded. And Partners get paid a lot more than Staff engineers. But tech companies strongly prefer having engineers as employees versus farming out work to firms. Software engineers have also been walled off from competitive salary information for many years (before Glassdoor or levels.fyi). This blog article should be seen as a potential aspiration versus a present day achievement (which isn’t true anyways).<p>* In addition to other counterarguments noted here: not everybody makes Staff engineer (many consider Senior terminal) but every rookie in sports gets a similar deal; athletes get cold hard cash but in tech a large part of total comp is tied to stock; athletes can get endorsement deals; athletes don’t “work” 12 months a year; athletes usually retire long before age 65.
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achiang超过 5 年前
Accurate headline but incorrect analysis.<p>Big Tech pays like sports, not because of average salary levels, but because of the <i>spread</i> between highest and lowest paid engineers.<p>Let&#x27;s say an entry level role in big tech pays about $200k per year in total comp.<p>It would not be surprising for your top engineer (Jeff Dean ~= LeBron James, e.g.) to rate north of $10m in annual total comp, so 2 orders of magnitude difference.<p>Multiples in sports are higher, but the point I&#x27;m making is that just as LeBron makes multiples of what a bench warmer does, so do the Jeff Deans of the world make multiples of what new college grads do. This is a markedly different landscape vs say, the late 90s when spreads were much MUCH tighter. Unfairly so in my opinion.<p>Disclosure: I work for Google but have no special knowledge of Jeff Dean&#x27;s (or any other superstar) comp. I simply claim I wouldn&#x27;t be surprised if I ever learned the real numbers. :)
google234123超过 5 年前
I do think it would be more fun to make 500K at age 20 than at age 37 so those athletes do have that going for them.
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sytelus超过 5 年前
Wait... these numbers doesn&#x27;t make sense!<p># of software dev jobs per US gov: 1,365,500 [1]<p># of people employed by big tech (FAANG+Microsoft): ~500k<p>Assuming 30% people are dev, still this would mean ~10% chance that given person with software dev job is in big tech. So sports comparison doesn&#x27;t sound sound.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bls.gov&#x2F;ooh&#x2F;computer-and-information-technology&#x2F;software-developers.htm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bls.gov&#x2F;ooh&#x2F;computer-and-information-technology&#x2F;...</a>
erik998超过 5 年前
And yet the athletes are still smarter than the geeks... They have a union...
xxpor超过 5 年前
I have to imagine more people than that are being hired out of college every year at all of FAANG.
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khazhoux超过 5 年前
average != median
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RickJWagner超过 5 年前
As a nerdy person, I find this satisfying.
buryat超过 5 年前
I bet a high payed software engineer is still better at playing sports than a low payed sports player at coding