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Goldman to Refuse IPOs If All Directors Are White, Straight Men

60 点作者 daegloe超过 5 年前

29 条评论

nscalf超过 5 年前
Has there been any studies to determine that a diverse board is actually valuable? I&#x27;m genuinely asking, because I subscribe to the &quot;get the best people for the job&quot; theory of doing things. I find it to be racist&#x2F;sexist&#x2F;whatever discriminatory word applies to have a hard line in the opposite. In my experience, forced diversity is a good way to shoe horn people into roles they won&#x27;t be successful in.<p>None of that is to say that there isn&#x27;t discrimination, but there is not an equal distribution of individuals in each field.
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christiansakai超过 5 年前
Not sure if I will get down-voted with this opinion, blamed for turning a blind eye for a social issue.<p>But I grew up in Asia (I am Asian). My ethnicity is also a minority there. I came to the US 10 years ago, and had some cultural shock regarding racial and diversity issues.<p>First, my jokes were mostly offensive to people here. We grew up making jokes about marital status and body image. We told people things like &quot;you&#x27;re so fat, you need to lose weight&quot;, and &quot;why are you still single?&quot; and no one was ever offended. Little did I know that things are different here.<p>But, the second one was quite surprising. I had a conversation to a female friend. She was telling me that she wanted to go to a business school. I asked why business school, and her another female friend immediately intervened and answered angrily &quot;oh why not? because she is female?&quot; and I was like &quot;what just happened?&quot; because I was confused. That was one instance, and there were other instances where I was accused of &quot;mansplaining&quot;. I had to google what that keyword was because I thought I encountered a new English word that I didn&#x27;t know that I need to add to my vocabulary.<p>Also during my conversation with (mostly Asian) friends here , they sometimes brought the topic of &quot;Bamboo Ceiling&quot; and I was honestly didn&#x27;t know what was that about until I googled it.<p>To be honest (and this is where I think I would be down-voted), I&#x27;ve never experienced such a thing called &quot;Bamboo Ceiling&quot; or I have to be white to be successful (well, the definition of successful varies between people) and I just go on with my life as usual, thinking that such ceiling is just some imaginary ceiling made by my (mostly Asian) friends.<p>But I do aware of the impact of diversity programs against Asians. We&#x27;re dime a dozen lol.
corporate_shi11超过 5 年前
And yet a board of all women, all black men, etc. would be celebrated. This is pure racism and sexism.<p>Unfortunately we live in an age when &quot;white people&quot; and men are unjustly blamed for many things, and the confluence of this blaming culture leads to the demonization of white men. This demonization is encouraged by many in the media, academia and HR departments. It masquerades as virtuous and &quot;progressive&quot; when it is just the opposite. People are reluctant to call it out for what it is because they are afraid of being slandered as racist or sexist.<p>Policies like Goldman&#x27;s, while well intended, are ultimately regressive, racist and sexist. When we reduce individuals to their race and gender we fall farther back into the dark ages when these things mattered far more than they do now. Rather than running away from that time towards a world of equality and universal justice, these policies drag us back and breed only resentment and mutual distrust.
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proximitysauce超过 5 年前
A true commitment to diversity would see them putting poor people on the board. A rich person of a different color, gender or sexual orientation is still a rich person. I don’t see this making any kind of material impact on company behavior.
simonsarris超过 5 年前
This is an extension of the California law to require companies to have women on boards that happened in 2018 which already potentially doubles some board sizes, though I&#x27;m not sure how its played out so far.<p>Anything that forcibly makes boards larger is <i>probably</i> bad for companies, regardless of the goodness of intentions. If you do not believe requirements like Goldman&#x27;s will increase board sizes, then you must believe that all companies are willing to fire some number of current board members to meet quota, which seems unlikely.<p>Peter Thiel in Zero to One:<p>&gt; A board of three is ideal. Your board should never exceed five people, unless your company is publicly held. (Government regulations effectively mandate that public companies have larger boards—the average is nine members.) By far the worst you can do is to make your board extra large. When unsavvy observers see a nonprofit organization with dozens of people on its board, they think: “Look how many great people are committed to this organization! It must be extremely well run.” Actually, a huge board will exercise no effective oversight at all; it merely provides cover for whatever microdictator actually runs the organization. If you want that kind of free rein from your board, blow it up to giant size. If you want an effective board, keep it small.<p>More board members may increase intransigence, decrease oversight (cover over who is <i>really</i> making the decisions and who is not), and turn corps more bureaucratic. <i>Regardless</i> of who is joining the board, this is going to increase board sizes, and that&#x27;s pretty unfortunate for some philosophies of effective management.<p>It is not that [xyz] representation isn&#x27;t a problem, but that an effective company structure must be the foremost requirement, ahead of any other (more arbitrary or ephemeral) requirements. Or else there won&#x27;t be as many great companies to steward in the first place.
swebs超过 5 年前
Weird that this is just targeting Europe and North America when they have offices in all major financial centers around the world.<p>All Asian board in Asia? Fine.<p>All African board in Africa? Fine.<p>All European board in Europe? No! That&#x27;s unacceptable for some reason.
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busymom0超过 5 年前
Let me preface my comment by mentioning something which shouldn&#x27;t matter but this news requires it - I am brown. This is one of the stupidest things I have seen come out of the people who think force diversity is a good thing.<p>Why can&#x27;t we simply treat people by their character and merit instead of things like race, sex or sexual orientation when those things have nothing to do with whether you can run a business or not? This rule is the definition of racism and sexism. Also how exactly do they plan on figuring out whether someone is straight or not?<p>As a brown immigrant, I have seen a lot more racism towards white people than others.<p>“I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character.” ― Martin Luther King Jr. 1963
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djohnston超过 5 年前
That sounds like a lawsuit. Sex, race, AND sexual orientation? Goldman hit the trifecta
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humanrebar超过 5 年前
For the purposes of this discussion, do Asians and Jews count as &quot;not diverse&quot;?<p>It&#x27;s hard to keep track sometimes.
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EdwardDiego超过 5 年前
Goldman Sachs makes token motions towards diversity in an attempt to redeem themselves several years after shitting the US economy.<p>Not sure being &quot;woke&quot; makes up for fucking the US economy, but hey, Twitter seems to bear a disproportionate weight, so I&#x27;m not the best arbiter of value.<p>But this seems like blatant window dressing from a predatory firm.
hurricanetc超过 5 年前
Discrimination is discrimination no matter how you dress it up.
theredbox超过 5 年前
This is sickening bullshit. I grew dirt poor in Eastern Europe. Some disadvantaged african-american minorities would be considered rich here.
superkuh超过 5 年前
It&#x27;s sad to see these kinds of discriminatory practices. Especially when they&#x27;re backed up with the use of government force. We were supposed to be moving away from judging people based on their skin and sexual preferences.
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forgetfulusr超过 5 年前
Wow, if they even wanted this to be taken seriously they could have just included everyone in on it. Why just this specific class? Refuse anyone that has &lt;same race&gt;&lt;same gender&gt;&lt;same orientation&gt; on the board. That would have got me atleast thinking about diversity. This just sounds ridiculous.
notacoward超过 5 年前
In case anyone&#x27;s wondering, Goldman Sachs itself does seem to have pretty decent representation on the board, executive team, and management committee (which AIUI is the real power at that type of company). At least as regards women. I see one black board member and one black MC member, same for Asians, and no indication of gender&#x2F;sexual preference. You can look for yourself here.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goldmansachs.com&#x2F;our-firm&#x2F;leadership&#x2F;board-of-directors&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goldmansachs.com&#x2F;our-firm&#x2F;leadership&#x2F;board-of-di...</a>
Stubb超过 5 年前
Was discussing this with a pal yesterday: blockchain-based IPOs just got a whole lot more interesting.
m0xte超过 5 年前
Whatever happened to merit?
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samdung超过 5 年前
Ok. I&#x27;m lost here. What if it&#x27;s a multi-colored board but all are straight?
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Bantros超过 5 年前
The world we live in
tuyguntn超过 5 年前
this is bullshit, why CEO can&#x27;t hire person who is best for the job by her&#x2F;his own definition of best? Definition of best is determined by person who is hiring.<p>Can white-man now sue company for racism because board of directors didn&#x27;t hire him? Does this mean, now minorities are considered as an elite group of people?<p>P.S. I tried to remember when I last time looked at sex of job applicant. Couldn&#x27;t remember any case, now I should be careful and reject white man (just in case)
Custergus超过 5 年前
What constitutes minority? Elizabeth Warren claimed it at around 7%. Obama could play this game either way at 50&#x2F;50, and if the public restroom standard holds you can claim whatever gender you identify with at the moment. And must a female director resign after a transgender procedure? The world is going mad.
emilfihlman超过 5 年前
What. The. Fuck.<p>This is literally insane as a &quot;law&quot; and erodes trust in law.
brighton36超过 5 年前
How do they plan on verifying orientation?
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wakeywakeywakey超过 5 年前
What about Caucasian immigrants? Does my white privilege counterbalance my immigrant struggle?
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rzmnzm超过 5 年前
Wow, sexist and racist.
claudeganon超过 5 年前
I’m at the point now where I’m pretty sure neoliberal-types do this on purpose to push people towards bigotry. No leftist with any coherency to their politics would advocate Goldman Sachs do this (let alone even exist).<p>Anyway, always worth revisiting the Fields’ sisters book, “Racecraft” about how racial identity is not inherent to people, but imposed as post hoc justification for the socioeconomic order:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.penguinrandomhouse.com&#x2F;books&#x2F;233136&#x2F;racecraft-by-karen-e-fields-and-barbara-j-fields&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.penguinrandomhouse.com&#x2F;books&#x2F;233136&#x2F;racecraft-by...</a>
apta超过 5 年前
Confusing equality of opportunity with equality of outcome I see, amateur mistake.
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turk73超过 5 年前
So sick of this garbage. White people are not the bane of society, far from it.<p>Clown world.<p>I grew up pretty damn poor. Anyone that looked at me as a kid would have said I had no future at all. I picked myself up and worked hard, sacrificed good times, and cut as many financial corners as I could for too many years. It&#x27;s been a fucking grind. Regardless of my skin color, it was no cake walk, I felt very little &quot;privilege&quot; as the accusation goes. It was just work, endless work. Especially bad was coming behind the Boomer generation that absolutely hated my guts just for being young. You might say mentors were few and far between and every time I reached out, I got my hand slapped. I was looked at (and still am looked at) as a labor commodity and little else.<p>Also, it is truly hilarous to me that Goldman Sachs, the bank that the US Govt. BAILED OUT during the financial crisis, a bank largely run mostly by people of a certain ethnicity, has any moral standing whatsoever. These fools should be out of business for what they did, not laying down this crap!<p>Also BlackRock--what a POS company that is! They came in to a well regarded local firm and absolutely gutted it. Want to know why? PENSIONS. They had to get rid of anyone with a pension, so they did all kinds of miserable fuckery to pull that off.
HenryKissinger超过 5 年前
So long, Goldman. It was nice knowing you.
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