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Google's expansion plans show why Canada's tech boom is here to stay

180 点作者 rubayeet超过 5 年前

17 条评论

Sytten超过 5 年前
Tech salaries in Canada are very low and I really hope this will raise the bar for everybody. Most of the talent (outside of Quebec) migrates south of the border at some point, because it makes no financial sense to stay. Innovation outside of Toronto is low&#x2F;inexistent and it is hard to get funding. I am always amazed when founders make the national news here when they raise 1-2M$ CAD. At the same time, you have CEOs complaining that the video game industry is poaching dev unfairly (because the salaries are subsidized) instead of raising their own salaries... It really is a sad state. It might be due to the fact that we have a culture of small&#x2F;medium businesses that are very slow to adopt new technologies and a mentally of what we called in french &quot;born for small bread&quot;. At the same time, since nobody is really making a lot of money you also have a more equal society leading to a better quality of life IMO (less crime, more generosity, etc).<p>As a new grad myself, I am in this situation where I get offers of &gt;120k USD if I move to SV with a growth potential (both in technical and financial terms) far better than what I can get here. In Quebec (where I live), I saw most of my peers stay around and accept salaries ranging from 65k CAD to 80k CAD (50k-61k USD). From what I know, an average senior can expect 120-130k CAD in Montreal. The only way to make more is by being a consultant, which is why you see a lot of them around here (for better or worse). I would feel a bit guilty to move to the US right now considering I got basically a free education and I do want to contribute back to society.
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adventured超过 5 年前
I often see people framing the US &amp; Canada primarily as a competition in tech. The exact opposite is largely the case. The US benefits enormously from having a wealthy, vibrant Canada, including in its tech sector. We&#x27;re permanent allies, liberal democracies and share a very large border as well as $600 billion in goods trade. The ability for technology, labor, products, services and capital to freely flow back and forth between the two of us makes us both far better off. Canada prospering in tech, rather than taking away from the US, brings more to the US-CA economic zone, including any talented persons they import that the US doesn&#x27;t. There is more than enough tech riches to go around, the US doesn&#x27;t need to own everything and shouldn&#x27;t try to.<p>If anything the US should be directly helping Canada to boom in tech. Enlarge the regional blackhole, suck up all the world&#x27;s talent. They&#x27;re our largest export market, the richer they get, the more people they have, the more US exports they are likely to buy (and vice versa). Canada&#x27;s tech talent will occasionally also go south and start companies in the US. Canadian investors can fund US start-ups from their successes. US investors can back Canadian start-ups and public companies. The more the merrier.
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jariel超过 5 年前
As a Candian, it seems to me so very pathetically and predictably Canadian to literally herald the surrender of your own industries to foreign takeover.<p>Canada is (often) to tech what Mexico is to cars.<p>Mexican &#x27;assembly&#x27; of cars is fine and good, but they don&#x27;t exactly move up the value chain from there.<p>Canada produces a lot of decent tech people, who will work for 2&#x2F;3 the wages, unfortunately, this doesn&#x27;t map to a successful entrepreneurial climate. Now, that&#x27;s a hard thing to contemplate, as &#x27;nobody&#x27; can really compete with SV at their own game, but it&#x27;s disingenuous in the least to farm out labor and compare that activity with those doing much of the higher-level work, and most importantly: controlling the profits.<p>Maybe the Mexico analogy goes a little bit too far, as there are tech startups and a few decent companies in Toronto, by and large, but they have serious trouble scaling into anything. To be fair, it&#x27;s not like most US cities are any better. In fact, aside from the weather and lack of charm, Toronto is a &#x27;better all-around city&#x27; than most American cities.<p>But there&#x27;s a serious lack of exceptionalism, and far too many of Toronto&#x27;s best move on to the US, London, or elsewhere.<p>This kind of &#x27;pathetic nationalism&#x27; is why loathe the CBC. It&#x27;s as though they are utterly unaware of the extent to which they extoll mediocrity.<p>Canadians are well educated, get along pretty well, and the &#x27;average person&#x27; in Canada in many ways lives better than the average American, at very least there&#x27;s a lot less calamity, fraud, there&#x27;s full healthcare which isn&#x27;t great but it&#x27;s mostly good.<p>But - on the issue of talent and exceptionalism, it&#x27;s a disaster. We are near the bottom of the OECD it talent and R&amp;D expenditures. Canada sends China &#x27;raw materials&#x27; and they send us back finished goods: this is the opposite of &#x27;first world&#x2F;developing world&#x27; trading norm.<p>We should not be hailing mediocrity as a victory. It&#x27;s nice to have jobs, but there is no Valley of the North.
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joiawjdoia89超过 5 年前
For any Canadian citizens wanting to work in USA: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chanian.com&#x2F;2010&#x2F;08&#x2F;01&#x2F;tutorial-moving-from-canada-to-america-as-a-software-developer&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chanian.com&#x2F;2010&#x2F;08&#x2F;01&#x2F;tutorial-moving-from-canada-t...</a>
raydev超过 5 年前
As an American who&#x27;s committed to staying in Canada until my kids leave the house, and who&#x27;s experienced the Canadian hiring market for the last 10 years, I&#x27;m both excited and concerned.<p>Excited, because now that I&#x27;ve joined one of these SV companies recently expanding their presence Canada, my yearly TC is now an integer multiple of what I was making at a local small company.<p>But I&#x27;m also concerned, because the majority of Canadian companies absolutely cannot compete. At all. My fear is all the biggest talent will get sucked into US-based companies. Super hypocritical of me, I know.<p>Canada needs so many more Shopifys.
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bitL超过 5 年前
Microsoft and Amazon used to park people that didn&#x27;t get H1B in Vancouver. Wasn&#x27;t that the same as what Google is doing now?
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lucidone超过 5 年前
The cheap labour pool as a consequence of the weak Canadian dollar certainly helps, alongside having identical time zones and nearly identical culture to the United States. Lots of Canadian consultancies butter their bread with USD.
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gyulai超过 5 年前
...we&#x27;ve been having these kinds of headlines from local media outlets pretty much everywhere where FAANG have created&#x2F;expanded presences. -- But it seems to me that these companies are extremely centralized and only decentralize to the extent that it is unavoidable (e.g. distributed data centers for reasons of latency) or that it captures special opportunities (e.g. Apple expanding in Munich right now, but doing only hardware and chip design work in what seems to me like a play to pick up talent from competitors like Infineon)<p>Also: I&#x27;d quite like to see what the distribution of carreer-levels is, when comparing Silicon Valley to non-Silicon Valley locations for these companies. I&#x27;d be willing to bet that non-Silicon Valley locations have predominantly more junior people, and that certain promotions are harder to get and will come with the necessity to move to the valley.
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torgian超过 5 年前
It seems to me they’re doing it partially because it’s cheaper in Canada ( compared to the US dollar ) as far as salaries, etc go.<p>Pretty soon, rent is going to be too high for someone making 100k Canadian ( if it isn’t already )
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svrma超过 5 年前
I&#x27;m curious about the salaries and potential for career growth for software engineers with 5,10,15 years of experience in Canada. Levels.fyi is handy for the US salaries but not so much for Canada.<p>Fwiw, I am a foreign grad student currently happy with the lifestyle in Canada. But I&#x27;m wondering whether I&#x27;ve made the right career move moving to Canada.<p>edit: include career growth
jpz超过 5 年前
I would imagine a lot of this is de-risking the issues surrounding the nativism in US politics. Canada is a good nearshore location. I presume visas for foreigners are considerably less problematic.<p>I&#x27;m in Sydney and we see Amazon do a lot of recruitment sessions here.
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geodel超过 5 年前
The most interesting takeaway for me is that never talk about &#x27;super evilness&#x27; of FANG etc when discussion is about salaries. Instead berate companies which have no worldwide ad money pouring in for not matching the otherwise evil companies.
blazespin超过 5 年前
The best thing that could ever happen to Canada would get rid of that god awful TN-Visa. TN - Talent Nuke. Completely sucks us dry of people moving to the US.
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juskrey超过 5 年前
Allowing to park people and outsourcing is not a tech boom. Different mindset, different understanding, different risks, limited upside at the end. A country on salary.
memory_vandal超过 5 年前
Expand expand expand, in small incremental replacements that actually offer no net gain over time...
mgh2超过 5 年前
It is always cheap labor. Same with Taiwan. Doesn’t say much about the country itself.
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abtinf超过 5 年前
Part of the reason for this is that the Trump administration has made it <i>very</i> hard for Canadians working for tech companies to visit the US on business. I have friends who used to frequently and freely travel between the two countries for meetings, and now they all have corporate policies forbidding it.<p>As is always the case with protectionist policies, the country imposing them experiences a net loss.
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