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Japan has 33k businesses at least a century old

536 点作者 kawera超过 5 年前

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Danieru超过 5 年前
Do you remember Ship of Theseus? The thought experiment about if a ship which has been fully rebuilt bit by bit is it still the same thing?<p>Japan appears consistent in saying, yes, rebuilding or swapping out components keeps the identity. You see this attitude in &quot;Japan&#x27;s oldest temple, burned to the ground and rebuilt every 20 years&quot;. In the west we might argue that burning a building and rebuilding, would count as a new building.<p>Similar in Japan&#x27;s family business the lineage can be preserved by adopting a adult man capable of continuing the business. It needs not be common, but it does serve to ensure family businesses will not end due to a failed marriage or lack of kids. In the west this would just come across as giving your business away to another person, yet in Japan it is considered a valid continuation of the family.<p>I do not think this is the single biggest reason Japan has such old businesses, but I think it is a key tool which has preserved many.
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johnklos超过 5 年前
(Slightly, but not completely sarcastic)<p>They&#x27;ve learned plenty from the United States, but they haven&#x27;t learned that in order to succeed, others must fail. They should be trying harder to make these businesses succeed hard or fail. After all, life isn&#x27;t about living - it&#x27;s about how much we can accumulate at the cost of others.<p>They should also learn the Unites Statesian way of &quot;going out of business&quot; for the purpose of selling the old company&#x27;s assets to a newly create company for pennies on the dollar while defaulting on debt and loans. Heck - many Hollywood companies do this from one film to the next!<p>Gah! These Japanese people are amateurs!
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bane超过 5 年前
It&#x27;s interesting about growing older. I don&#x27;t know if this is a function of aging or a change in how humanity recons time. When I was younger, a century seemed like forever. Now it&#x27;s just 1920 and we have film, music, audio, books and so on from that time period readily available.<p>In many ways 1920 doesn&#x27;t really seem <i>all</i> that far away to me while 1860, 1870, 1880 (a century from when I was a child) seemed to be <i>forever</i> ago.<p>When I look at film and photos from 1920 I see modern people, people I could see meeting and having relatively modern conversations while when I look at media from the mid 1800s I see ancestors who I share very little with.
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tkgally超过 5 年前
A few days ago, I went into a barbershop in Fujisawa, south of Tokyo, to have my hair cut. When I entered, the sole barber was slumped on a sofa looking at a computer screen. He didn&#x27;t seem particularly happy to have a customer. The shop was messy, a white cat wandered around, and I had to step over a live turtle in a tank on the floor to get to the barber chair.<p>As the barber cut my hair, I asked him about the shop. He said that it was ninety years old—the area had escaped bombing during the war—and that his grandfather and father had run the shop before him.<p>If someone opened a similarly shambolic barbershop today, it would almost certainly fail, as Japanese consumers are picky about appearances. But he said he had a steady clientele, including customers who themselves were the second or third generation in their families to get their hair cut there. He also turned out to be pleasant to chat with, and I had no complaint about the quality of the haircut.<p>The cost of the haircut was on the high side, and as he lives behind the shop in a house he inherited he must have minimal overhead. He looked to be in his forties. He should have no trouble keeping the shop running well past the century mark.
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cyberferret超过 5 年前
Wow - that tea house has been operating for 900 years? I thought the previous record was a Japanese temple building company that was around for 400+ years before having to close during the global financial crisis a decade ago?!<p>There is that old adage in multi generational businesses that goes - &quot;The first generation kicks off the business, the second generation builds upon what the first generation did, and the third generation squanders everything the first two generations did&quot;. In my 40+ years of business consulting I have actually seen this happen multiple times.<p>There must be something different about the Japanese cultural and philosophical outlook of building a business and handing it over to the next generation to carry on.
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bump64超过 5 年前
Another point I want to mention is that Japan was never invaded on its own territory by a foreign power and it wasn&#x27;t ruled or politically influenced by outsiders for many centuries. This helps a lot to build and preserve a business.<p>On the contrary if you take the Balkans in Europe every few centuries the ruling power changed. First was the Roman Empire, then the Byzantine Empire, Bulgarian Empire, many other nations come to power for different periods, then the Ottomans, the Soviet Union and in the present day most of the companies and corporations in the Balkans are very proud if they have a history of 20-30 years (after the collapse of the Soviet Union)
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reustle超过 5 年前
If I own a reasonably successful business, and want the prestige &#x2F; vanity of something like &quot;Since 1953&quot;, could I buy a small &#x2F; failing business in some small town and merge the companies? Would my company now technically be running since 1953?<p>I have companies in both Japan and the US. It&#x27;s a fun though experiment at the very least. I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;d ever execute on something like this, but a software development agency &quot;since 1876&quot; would be a great conversation starter.
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chriscatoya超过 5 年前
Interestingly, this feels related to the low levels of entrepreneurship (Japan ranks 4th lowest in the world)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bradchattergoon.com&#x2F;japan-and-entrepreneurship-e468a6453bac" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;bradchattergoon.com&#x2F;japan-and-entrepreneurship-e468a...</a><p>These things are neither universally good nor bad: I do believe the Japanese conception of duty (and how it diverges from an American sensibility) plays a large role in the fact 33k businesses are over 100 years old. As an American this many businesses is definitely an impressive number, but then again, 100 years ago the US was only 143 years old. We’re ~3 lifetimes (8 generations) away from the signing of the Declaration of Independence. ️
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echelon超过 5 年前
Nintendo is one of them. They were founded in 1889 as a playing card company. They even had a short stint running love hotels.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Nintendo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Nintendo</a>
divbzero超过 5 年前
While many of the oldest businesses in Japan are hotels, some of the oldest in Europe are breweries [1], e.g. Weihenstephan (1040) and Franziskaner (1397) which both make excellent hefeweizens.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_oldest_companies" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_oldest_companies</a>
distantaidenn超过 5 年前
Fun fact: The oldest continuous company in Japan (and the world), Kongo Gumi, was founded by a Korean immigrant.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Kong%C5%8D_Gumi" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Kong%C5%8D_Gumi</a>
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ChrisMarshallNY超过 5 年前
Traditional Japanese companies (I worked for one for a quarter century) tend to be quite risk-averse.<p>This does mean that they may not have massive spurts of growth, like Apple or Microsoft, but it also means they can weather storms fairly well.<p>Remember that many Japanese companies had their assets turned to kindling in WWII, and survived.
minikomi超过 5 年前
Funny, just the other day I bought a hand warmer here in Japan and it distinctly had 1923 as the age of the company on the box. I was struck by how that&#x27;s almost 100 years now. Highly recommend the pocket warmer by the way.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hakkin.co.jp&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.hakkin.co.jp&#x2F;</a>
zepto超过 5 年前
Beretta the Italian Gun manufacturer is almost 500 years old.
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narag超过 5 年前
I was surprised to learn that the place my father used to hang on is 232 years old. It&#x27;s in a crossroads, but not so frequented today, since they made the beltway and took away parking space that was around.<p>In Spanish, with photos:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;puentechico1.blogspot.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;01&#x2F;restaurante-el-pajaro-doscientos.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;puentechico1.blogspot.com&#x2F;2020&#x2F;01&#x2F;restaurante-el-paja...</a>
JoeAltmaier超过 5 年前
The USA, not so many: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_oldest_companies_in_the_United_States" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_oldest_companies_in_th...</a>
illwrks超过 5 年前
My wife&#x27;s familys business has been up and running for well over 100 years.<p>As it was told to me... Her great great great grandfather had a small bank of sorts, then he or perhaps his children, I forget the reason why, moved into food. Primarily sourcing food for upscale restaurants. Her uncles and mother run the business now, although they are in their late 60s so I doubt it will stay going for another generation.<p>Her two brothers have their own careers, we live in the other side of the world and her cousin lives in the US.<p>It is a strange combination of having smaller families, career aspirations and globalisation which makes it less appealing I guess.
thereyougo超过 5 年前
I think this article can bring new context for the whole situation:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.japantimes.co.jp&#x2F;news&#x2F;2017&#x2F;03&#x2F;13&#x2F;business&#x2F;economy-business&#x2F;economy-seen-hurting-thousands-japans-zombie-firms-legally-dodge-bankruptcy&#x2F;#.XkaavlMzbfY" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.japantimes.co.jp&#x2F;news&#x2F;2017&#x2F;03&#x2F;13&#x2F;business&#x2F;econom...</a>
epicgiga超过 5 年前
It&#x27;d be nice if they&#x27;d be a bit more precise with their terms.<p>Company, firm, and business have specific meanings.<p>Given BBC is UK based, a company would mean a separate legal entity to its members (a &#x27;corporation&#x27; in US).<p>A firm means a group of people in business together, either a company of more than one member or a general partnership.<p>And a business is the true catch-all.<p>I doubt these businesses going back hundreds of years are incorporated entities. Back in the day those took an act of the state to form. The first KK in the country (Inc. equivalent for those in US, or Ltd. for UK) was only formed in 1873.<p>And I doubt businesses have been general partnerships continuously for hundreds of years -- since these desolve automatically when the membership changes e.g. by a death.<p>Especially to journalists, these details should matter.
tgflynn超过 5 年前
I find it a bit surprising that a culture with so much Buddhist influence should place so much emphasis on preservation since Buddhism emphasizes the transitory nature of all things.
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tkyjonathan超过 5 年前
This is very impressive. The average lifespan of a company on the S&amp;P 500 is 15 years.
ptah超过 5 年前
looking at recent threads about disastrous upgrades e.g. mac os catalina, i would say we need some of this culture in software companies
davidivadavid超过 5 年前
Only a century old? Easy. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_oldest_companies" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_oldest_companies</a>
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