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Are ad blockers doomed or have we already won? A history lesson

186 点作者 GraemeL大约 5 年前

29 条评论

Blackthorn大约 5 年前
I posted this deep in a thread but feel like it should be a higher level comment so here we go.<p>Websites can be so ridiculously short sighted and just want to squeeze out every penny they can not thinking of the users they end up losing in the process. And they do lose users And fast. Personal experience time!<p>I ran a pretty popular wiki for Dungeons and Dragons homebrew on what used to be called Wikia. At some point they decided they available needed to have some terrible new skin that was stuffed with ads and unbelievable ugly. We pushed back but they were adamant about forcing it, so I took all the content and all the users and self hosted it for almost a decade afterward. The Wikia site was completely dead. Sucks for them but their choice.<p>I paid $10&#x2F;mo or $20&#x2F;mo for the site depending on the year, and never ran ads. At one point I got an offer from a company in the same hobbyist space to buy it from me. At that point I was extremely sick of being my own sysadmin and worrying about security vulns so I accepted it. Now some time later they&#x27;re trying to pull the &quot;stuff it full of ads in the worst places!&quot; routine. Users are getting pissed and starting to ask me about taking all the content...and users...and going off to a server adminned by me again.<p>If I do this, it will be completely devastating for the site and tank their traffic. Do they care or realize? Guess we&#x27;ll see.<p>All of this could be avoided if they just made the ads less shitty. Not showing up in the middle of navigation bars. Not being bigger than the surrounding content, so it completely stretches it and ruin&#x27;s the site layout. Not having a completely clashing background color to the site. All extremely simple stuff.
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SignalsFromBob大约 5 年前
I feel that we&#x27;ve done ourselves a disservice by referring to them as ad blockers rather than content blockers or, better yet, virus blockers. With malicious ads being the primary vector for compromising a person&#x27;s computer, calling these tools virus blockers would not only be more accurate, but it would make it harder for sites to counter their use from a public relations point of view.<p>Could you imagine visiting a web site only to have it tell you to disable your virus blocker to view the web page? Yet, web sites make the same requests of your &quot;ad blocker&quot; even though the end result is the same. They want you to disable your security protections and risk infection to view a web page.[1]<p>Sadly, I believe we&#x27;ve already lost this battle and are worse off for it.<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.networkworld.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;3021113&#x2F;forbes-malware-ad-blocker-advertisements.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.networkworld.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;3021113&#x2F;forbes-malware-...</a>
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mrspeaker大约 5 年前
Great article! It&#x27;s funny to finally see ad blockers go &quot;mainstream&quot;.<p>My dystopian-future fear is that that Web Assembly will be the end of ad blocking (and the end of a web of connected web sites). Big sites will eventually convert to essentially &quot;a web browser inside a web browser&quot; so they have total control over the content and how it&#x27;s displayed.<p>Then ad blocking (and other customization) will be limited to &quot;the analog hole&quot; - trying to image detect or OCR things.<p>I hope I&#x27;m wrong, but I&#x27;ve also been asked countless times over the years to &quot;stop people copy&#x2F;pasting our text&quot; and &quot;stop people seeing our code&quot; and &quot;stop people downloading our images&quot;... the browser-in-a-browser feels inevitable!
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jslabovitz大约 5 年前
From the article:<p>&gt; The very beginning of ad blocking is the 90s, just when the ads appeared. In 1993, GNN, the very first web advertising service, was launched. Then in 1994, the first-ever banner was sold. In the blink of an eye, the online ad industry was worth billions of dollars. Double Click emerged, Yahoo started to sell ads. And that&#x27;s when the very first ad blocker was created.<p>GNN (Global Network Navigator) was not an advertising service. It was the first commercial online magazine. O’Reilly &amp; Associates, the publisher of GNN, wanted to see if a website like GNN could be supported through commercial sponsorship. GNN’s ads were informational — much more like whitepapers than a display ads. (Wired’s HotWired site, which launched at almost exactly the same time as GNN in the fall of 1993, invented the banner ad, which of course is what most adblocking tech has targeted. Cookies for tracking didn’t come along until later.)<p>Source: I worked on GNN as technical director, and in fact my first job there, in the summer of 1993 about a month before we launched, was to assemble the first ‘ad’ — a set of articles about intellectual property law, sponsored by the now-defunct Bay area law firm Heller Ehrman.
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bubblethink大约 5 年前
So a survey article about adblocking without mentioning the main ad blocker in the world (and their competitor), ublock origin. Well played! As for the history lesson, the main meta lesson is that adblockers need to be completely detached from any monetory incentives. No company, however noble, should be trusted at all. Only open source + community ad blockers have survived and flourished. Time and again, people have tried to make a quick buck by becoming the middlemen in the adblocking industry by promoting their flavour of ads, whitelisting ads, or just hijacking ads.
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izzydata大约 5 年前
If I can&#x27;t block the ads on a page I&#x27;m simply not going to visit it ever again. I&#x27;ve never seen a website that was actually necessary for me to visit that had ads or couldn&#x27;t be blocked.
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einpoklum大约 5 年前
Commercial companies being able to force themselves onto our consciousness is unacceptable.<p>Personally, seeing ads in public spaces feels just like in totalitarian countries you would see large portraits of the supreme leader or government propaganda. Somehow this is legitimized because they&#x27;re private corporations. Not in my book.<p>More power to ad blocker authors, and a particular shoutout to:<p>* Raymond Hill of uBlock Origin fame: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;gorhill&#x2F;uBlock&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;gorhill&#x2F;uBlock&#x2F;</a><p>* The EFF, for blocking trackers and other 3rd party nasties with Privacy Badger: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eff.org&#x2F;privacybadger" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.eff.org&#x2F;privacybadger</a>
throwaway55554大约 5 年前
Websites started off with a glass storefront and an open door. You kinda had to poke your head in the door to look around to see if you wanted to go in. Then the glass storefront had some sales prices shown. Then slowly you could no longer even see the glass storefront for all the ads. Then the spinning sign men showed up to annoy. Now, there&#x27;s a bouncer with a clipboard blocking you from getting in.<p>It&#x27;s mostly just not worth the effort any more unless you have an ad blocker in some form.
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mrlala大约 5 年前
Who is honestly clicking on all these ads that makes advertising worthwhile?<p>I am honestly baffled sometimes how this all works... In my 30+ years of internet usage in one form or another I have rarely, rarely, rarely ever clicked on a freakin ad. Yes, I&#x27;ve generally had them blocked for the most part. But when they aren&#x27;t blocked, I see what the content is and why would I even want to click on one!<p>Color me confused who is keeping the web running by clicking on ads.
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jsjddbbwj大约 5 年前
I miss the days when barely anybody blocked ads. Those of us who did didn&#x27;t have to worry with defeating anti ad block systems.
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paulie_a大约 5 年前
Basically ad blocking makes the internet useful again. I am no longer bombarded with popups or distractions. Therefore I won. Tracking is pathetically useless on the internet. It&#x27;s easy to screw with the metrics and your &quot;profile&quot; but even without doing so tracking is simply snake oil
wespiser_2018大约 5 年前
There is a great paper on the arms race between Ads and Ad Blockers out of a group in Princeton.<p>They propose a perceptual ad-blocking scheme where ads are always rendered in a DOM, but elements only displayed to the if they are not &quot;ad like&quot;. This is makes it much easier to evade ad-block detectors, since your browser appears as if it does not have an ad-blocker! <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cs.princeton.edu&#x2F;~arvindn&#x2F;publications&#x2F;ad-blocking-framework-techniques.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cs.princeton.edu&#x2F;~arvindn&#x2F;publications&#x2F;ad-blocki...</a>
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kurehajime大约 5 年前
Ad blockers were born earlier than the Internet and personal computers.<p>---<p>A Personal Computer for Children of All Ages<p>Alan C. Kay<p>Xerox Palo Alto Research Center, 1972<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mprove.de&#x2F;visionreality&#x2F;media&#x2F;kay72.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.mprove.de&#x2F;visionreality&#x2F;media&#x2F;kay72.html</a><p>&gt;A combination of this &quot;carry anywhere&quot; device and a global information utility such as the ARPA network or two-way cable TV, will bring the libraries and schools (not to mention stores and billboards) or the world to the home. One can imagine one of the first programs an owner will write is a filter to eliminate advertising!
droithomme大约 5 年前
I don&#x27;t turn off my virus blocker for anyone. No way no how no sir. Sites that refuse to show content without opening up for viruses are intrinsically suspicious, no matter how fancy their brand name.
ck2大约 5 年前
When adsense first came out it was text only and ads were actually fascinating and interesting to read. They were regulated and meaningful.<p>Then images and javascript were eventually allowed and it was all downhill from there. Now it&#x27;s a race to the bottom of how many hundreds of external objects and tracking that can be added to a page as well as malware since so many badly behaving ads slip right through any attempt at automated bans.
superkuh大约 5 年前
I don&#x27;t block ads but I do block all javascript by default. They are essentially synonymous now.
m3047大约 5 年前
&quot;It means that an ad blocker of the future will have to monitor traffic of the entire network.&quot; (towards the end)<p>This is already a concern in the DNS world, with Response Policy Zones (RPZ) on one hand for DNS-based control (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dnsrpz.info&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;dnsrpz.info&#x2F;</a>) and DNS Over HTTP(S) (a.k.a. DoH) on the other.
8bitsrule大约 5 年前
Here&#x27;s another history (the dates in the OP are fuzzy). <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thedrum.com&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;2019&#x2F;12&#x2F;20&#x2F;monetizing-the-banner-ad-crisis" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thedrum.com&#x2F;opinion&#x2F;2019&#x2F;12&#x2F;20&#x2F;monetizing-the-ba...</a>
einpoklum大约 5 年前
I wonder if the legal action against AdBlock Plus &#x2F; Palant made a dent in the download or use of ad blockers in general. The article doesn&#x27;t provide any evidence of this.<p>Also - don&#x27;t get your apps on Google or Apple&#x27;s app stores! Use APKMirror, APK pure, etc. Some of these even have app-store-like apps to use instead of Google&#x27;s, that don&#x27;t need a Google account.<p>Also, there&#x27;s at least one app &quot;store&quot; app specializing in FOSS purely: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;f-droid.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;f-droid.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;</a>
jakub_g大约 5 年前
I feel like the article is missing an important milestone about release of Brave browser for Android circa 2017&#x2F;2018 (it&#x27;s only briefly mentioned at the end).<p>It changed the landscape on Android in my opinion: it was the first browser that was <i>as good as Chrome</i> (fast, same look &amp; feel -- being a fork of Chromium -- plus regularly updated and having strong, credible technical team behind it) but also having ad blocking built-in and other additional privacy measures. Soon Opera added ad blocking as well, and other browsers (except Chrome) followed.
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Causality1大约 5 年前
I personally think we&#x27;re nearing the end of a golden age where sites can support themselves through advertisements that 90 percent of users see while we, the nerds, are able to easily block almost all the ads. The more widespread blockers become, the more incentive there is to create unblockable ads, e.g., YouTube inserting a video ad directly into the video stream so that even if you had some kind of content-aware AI blocker running you still wouldn&#x27;t be able to continue your video until the ad is over and the unedited stream resumes.
mwsfc大约 5 年前
Please correct me if I am wrong here regarding Ghostery functionality: In current Firefox &amp; Vivaldi versions it behaves as you would expect....blocks ads according to your settings for every tab load. But in chrome, the default behavior (assume chrome induced) appears to be to auto disable the plugin until you manually re-enable the plugin then reload the tab....repeat process for every new tab load. Do I have a Chrome setting misconfigured or is this another example of Google&#x27;s &quot;what&#x27;s best for you is what we say it is&quot; attitude?
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kristianc大约 5 年前
&gt; Now it’s surprising to see a lot of comments like: &quot;Why do you need an ad blocker? Just use the hosts files&quot;.<p>I often wonder if people realize that they’re being that person.
mariushn大约 5 年前
I guess we all know Chrome on Android doesn&#x27;t support extensions in order to prevent ad blockers. If there wouldn&#x27;t be Firefox, Chrome on desktop would have surely limited ad blockers as well.
aSplash0fDerp大约 5 年前
Is part of a digital detox turning off java by default and enjoying the Text Web in its full glory?<p>What do you estimate the cost is annually for all of the wasted bandwith (especially mobile data) on predatory marketing?
monksy大约 5 年前
I remember using Naviscope and sometimes dealing with DNS blocks with the hosts file. Those were the days. (I had a very rudimentary ad blocker via my web browser back in the days [404Browser])
notRobot大约 5 年前
No one (or a much lesser percentage) would use an ad-blocker if ads were just <i>ads</i>, without all the tracking, privacy and malware concerns.<p>Go back to contextual static-image ads, folks.
ddevault大约 5 年前
1. Click<p>2. Open network panel<p>3. Google Analytics<p>4. Close tabs<p>It&#x27;s disgusting how so many so-called privacy advocates can&#x27;t even get this right even when <i>talking about privacy</i>.
jiveturkey大约 5 年前
&gt; 2015 — Content blocking comes to Safari and iOS<p>typo. He means &quot;Safari <i>on</i> iOS&quot;. Safari on desktop had normal extension-based ad blocking since day 1. Then the content blocking API came to iOS then later the same API in macOS.<p>&gt; • No debugging tools<p>perhaps in 2015 -- I wouldn&#x27;t know -- but today it&#x27;s certainly debuggable with the help of a macOS host. Much like remote gdb.<p>&gt; The maximum number of rules limitation is a huge problem,<p>not a problem at all. rules limitation is <i>per filter</i> but each adblocker can install multiple filters. I suppose the rules limitation is for latency reasons, in case of a poorly designed blocker.<p>&gt; It was disproportionately hard to maintain a completely different filter list for Safari alone.<p>Completely false. filters are regex&#x27;s. It&#x27;s trivial to use the same source list with whatever filter technology.<p>I guess because this article is content marketing, and not academic research, these errors (and omissions) are ok. But I do wish, that given the title, the author had bothered to mention that Bing inserts ads that are not blockable via simple URL filters. adblock+ currently doesn&#x27;t handle them and I believe they are not handle-able at all via the Safari content filter API. By extension =&gt; ad blockers are doomed. So yeah, he&#x27;s not going to say that because he&#x27;s selling an ad blocker ...
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