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The race to save Polesia, Europe's Amazon

91 点作者 jxub大约 5 年前

11 条评论

akhodakivskiy大约 5 年前
To me this sound like a crappy piece of propaganda. This project is in the national interest of Poland, Belarus, and Ukraine. They would profit from this route, obviously. The underdeveloped region would get a nice boost. The project is also against national interests of so many other countries that profit from lack of such route, many in the EU, notoriously Russia, and many others.<p>The caption “colorfully painted log cabin” under a photo of a dissolving uninhabitable shack is priceless. Really makes me want to protect the region from evil humans.
dntbnmpls大约 5 年前
Wish the title had &quot;Rainforest&quot; because the current title makes it seem like Polesia is a european competitor to Bezo&#x27;s Amazon that is struggling to survive.<p>Also, isn&#x27;t calling Polesia, Europe&#x27;s Amazon as silly as calling Thames, England&#x27;s Nile? The amazon rainforest is almost the size of europe itself.
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jungletime大约 5 年前
I highly recommend buying a kayak to kayak through one of the swamp areas in your region on a nice spring or summer day. Its really an experience for the soul! Even in a cooler&#x2F;cold climate, the amount of noise from birds chirping really does make it seem like you&#x27;re in the amazon. A total sensory experience worth having. You can get a kayak for $300.
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ajuc大约 5 年前
Nice to sea Polesie on hackernews, even if for such reasons. My grandparents lived there (in the Polish part near Włodawa), I spent every holidays in 90s and 00s swimming in these lakes and biking through these forests.<p>It&#x27;s a very pretty region, great for tourism (the default is forest, there are clearings with lakes every few dozen kilometers, there&#x27;s also some villages and farming land, but mostly it&#x27;s one huge forest).<p>It&#x27;s very flat, and the roads (except the one that connects Lublin to Włodawa and the country border) are almost always empty - so it&#x27;s a paradise for biking.<p>The villages are very poor even for eastern Poland standards, most young people leave cause there&#x27;s no jobs except for farming and some tourism in the summer but still not much. I&#x27;d say the median age is over 40 in the countryside or possibly more.<p>My grandfather was working for a local farming cooperative there during communism, and they tried to dry the swamps for agriculture reasons. They were also searching for coal (there&#x27;s a coal mine in the region and there is a possibility for some more).<p>The end result was that in that particular part (near Stary Brus - Kołacze - Hańsk) it got much too dry, the ground water level dropped and it&#x27;s almost a desert now - ground is mostly sand, only pine trees and a few kinds of grass grow there.<p>In the Polish part there is already an artificial lake (Wytyczno) and a channel between some rivers (Wieprz-Krzna), but nobody really uses it for transport. I don&#x27;t think it makes much sense to build waterways there at the cost of nature.<p>- there&#x27;s no industry to speak of<p>- the population is sparse and poor<p>- the border between Poland and Belarus on the Bug river is the external border of the EU, it separates 2 opposing economic unions and blocks almost all the trade<p>- the next part downstream (Mazury lake district) is also underdeveloped sparsely populated countryside with little money and lots of rare nature<p>If Poland, Ukraine and Belarus joined one economic union (preferably EU) - it could maybe work, but as is it&#x27;s useless investment with lots of harmful side effects.
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yread大约 5 年前
There is a project with similar aim: the Danube-Oder-Elbe canal. It would connect Black, Baltic and North Seas:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.d-o-l.cz&#x2F;index.php&#x2F;en&#x2F;about-d-o-e-project&#x2F;current-situation" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.d-o-l.cz&#x2F;index.php&#x2F;en&#x2F;about-d-o-e-project&#x2F;current...</a>
pintxo大约 5 年前
What’s the purpose to compare a waterway hundreds of km long and comprised of 5 rivers and various channels to the Panama and Suez channel? This is so misleading.
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leftyted大约 5 年前
Is this region comparatively unspoilt because of the Chernobyl disaster? If so, that&#x27;s a strange kind of irony.
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joejerryronnie大约 5 年前
Is it telling that I assumed this article was about a struggling European ecommerce conglomerate?
bobthechef大约 5 年前
The article does feel a bit like propaganda. Environmental groups are notorious in the region for being used as political instruments to halt all manner of construction. When a new road is to be built, you’ll have environmental agitators coming out of the woodwork claiming that the road would cross a newly discovered frog habitat and that it would lead to the deaths of many frogs trying to cross the road. Never mind that there are ways to manage even those situations.<p>The important thing is to weigh the human benefits against the overall negative impacts of a project. Environmental extremism generally smacks of foreign interests trying to keep the status quo and the region from flourishing economically and thus competing with them, or at least making things economically inconvenient.<p>There is quite a history of such self-serving foreign meddling that involves patronizing appeals to all manner of fashionable sentiment, hence my skepticism.
epicureanideal大约 5 年前
It seems like the project would be very useful. I wonder what the environmental benefits would be of reducing the distance ships need to travel from AROUND Europe to through the E40 route? Might it outweigh whatever environmental costs there are?
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myth_drannon大约 5 年前
It&#x27;s strange but when I think about Poles&#x27;e I think about &#x27;Come and See&#x27; movie and the swamp scene <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;Y60mnxzSD1Y?t=2992" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;Y60mnxzSD1Y?t=2992</a>